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Who are your top 10 modern Walt Frazier like players in the modern era?

No one really plays like Frazier . . . I'd say, maybe Russell Westbrook if he played it safe like a Chauncey Billups instead of going all Michael Ray Richardson all the time.

Keys:
Good size/strength to guard either guard spot (and some SF)
Super quick hands
Money from midrange
Good post-up game
Can play off ball as well as create for self and others
Notorious clutch performer
And of course, extremely disruptive defender

Westbrook plays nothing like Frazier- maybe d rose , but Clyde was better on defense.



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The problem with trying to compare Frazier, or virtually every player from that era, to players from this era is so few of the older players took long shots. I never saw Frazier take a shot longer than 18-20 feet and most of his jumpers were closer than that. I guess Deron Williams in the way he moves is somewhat similar to Frazier, but Frazier was a headier, better all-around player.

The problem with trying to compare Frazier, or virtually every player from that era, to players from this era is so few of the older players took long shots. I never saw Frazier take a shot longer than 18-20 feet and most of his jumpers were closer than that.

One of the best mid-range shooters of all time was Hal Greer, another player who did not go out of his range. Walt Frazier credits some of his offensive skills and moves to Greer.



Rockin' Steady: A Guide to Basketball & Cool - Walt Frazier (2013)











The Game Within the Game - Walt Frazier (2007)

Jason Kidd and Gary Payton...

Yeah, Payton, Kidd and Billups all have some Clyde in their game. Especially Payton (but Frazier was more efficient offensively, less of a ballhog, although the latter certainly had a lot to do with team strategy).

I'd say also Andre Miller, as far as his crafty midrange and post game.

Quotatious wrote:Yeah, Payton, Kidd and Billups all have some Clyde in their game. Especially Payton (but Frazier was more efficient offensively, less of a ballhog, although the latter certainly had to do a lot with team strategy).

I'd say also Andre Miller, as far as his crafty midrange and post game.

Andre Miller is a good pick.....maybe more young Grant Hill he was very efficient and didn't even shoot 3's...maybe Sam Casell..

Brandon Roy and GP

Warspite wrote:Brandon Roy and GP

He didnt have the finesse of Roy..but for the most part you may be right...he may be the closest pick, Wait a minute just popped in my head, I got it! Young Jimmy Jackson even the Ohio st version against the Fab Five of Michigan....yup exactly!

Dipper 13 wrote:

The problem with trying to compare Frazier, or virtually every player from that era, to players from this era is so few of the older players took long shots. I never saw Frazier take a shot longer than 18-20 feet and most of his jumpers were closer than that.

One of the best mid-range shooters of all time was Hal Greer, another player who did not go out of his range. Walt Frazier credits some of his offensive skills and moves to Greer.



Rockin' Steady: A Guide to Basketball & Cool - Walt Frazier (2013)











The Game Within the Game - Walt Frazier (2007)

The ironic thing about Frazier's rookie year was that was Bill Bradley's rookie year as well. Nobody from today knows much about Bradley, but he had a tremendous college career and many people thought he'd be a superstar in the pros. The Knicks actually passed up Rick Barry to draft Bradley who didn't play for two years after his senior year at Princeton. When he did play for the Knicks, many people were deeply disappointed with Bradley, who while an excellent cog and future HOFer, really was never a star. But the Knicks got themselves a gem in Frazier who became one the greatest guards in the league. If the Knicks had drafted Barry to go along with Frazier and Reed, they probably would have won several more titles during that period. Barry was easily superior to Bradley even though Bradley played well in the Knicks system.

Agreed what a nice flowing working lineup that would have been...they all compliment each other...

Johnlac1 wrote:

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Dipper 13 wrote:

The problem with trying to compare Frazier, or virtually every player from that era, to players from this era is so few of the older players took long shots. I never saw Frazier take a shot longer than 18-20 feet and most of his jumpers were closer than that.

One of the best mid-range shooters of all time was Hal Greer, another player who did not go out of his range. Walt Frazier credits some of his offensive skills and moves to Greer.



Rockin' Steady: A Guide to Basketball & Cool - Walt Frazier (2013)











The Game Within the Game - Walt Frazier (2007)

The ironic thing about Frazier's rookie year was that was Bill Bradley's rookie year as well. Nobody from today knows much about Bradley, but he had a tremendous college career and many people thought he'd be a superstar in the pros. The Knicks actually passed up Rick Barry to draft Bradley who didn't play for two years after his senior year at Princeton. When he did play for the Knicks, many people were deeply disappointed with Bradley, who while an excellent cog and future HOFer, really was never a star. But the Knicks got themselves a gem in Frazier who became one the greatest guards in the league. If the Knicks had drafted Barry to go along with Frazier and Reed, they probably would have won several more titles during that period. Barry was easily superior to Bradley even though Bradley played well in the Knicks system.

I am on record a number of times as saying Bradley was the most overrated player in NBA history. Even his big numbers in college were recorded at Princeton playing an Ivy League schedule. But, he was an erudite Rhodes Scholar and future Senator playing in the biggest media market in the USA and so he got a lot of undeserved credit despite being arguably the worst rebounding forward in the NBA, a below average man defender, and an average, maybe above average jump shooter but certainly not elite.

However, he was a smart and willing passer and fit the system. Barry was never known for sublimating his ego to . . . well . . . anything; he considered it dishonesty to achieve even normal politeness and even when he won an NBA title, went out of his way to disparage his teammates. I don't think the Knicks become a great team with Barry around. They had a player who was better than Bradley at just about every part of the game sitting behind him in Cazzie Russell -- better scorer, rebounder, defender when he was trying -- but played Bradley because Bradley played within the system and Holtzman was a system coach. Russell was always a Cazzie Russell first player. That and with Frazier, Monroe, and Reed, you didn't need a 4th offensive star on the court.

penbeast0 wrote:

Johnlac1 wrote:

Spoiler:

Dipper 13 wrote:
One of the best mid-range shooters of all time was Hal Greer, another player who did not go out of his range. Walt Frazier credits some of his offensive skills and moves to Greer.



Rockin' Steady: A Guide to Basketball & Cool - Walt Frazier (2013)











The Game Within the Game - Walt Frazier (2007)

The ironic thing about Frazier's rookie year was that was Bill Bradley's rookie year as well. Nobody from today knows much about Bradley, but he had a tremendous college career and many people thought he'd be a superstar in the pros. The Knicks actually passed up Rick Barry to draft Bradley who didn't play for two years after his senior year at Princeton. When he did play for the Knicks, many people were deeply disappointed with Bradley, who while an excellent cog and future HOFer, really was never a star. But the Knicks got themselves a gem in Frazier who became one the greatest guards in the league. If the Knicks had drafted Barry to go along with Frazier and Reed, they probably would have won several more titles during that period. Barry was easily superior to Bradley even though Bradley played well in the Knicks system.

I am on record a number of times as saying Bradley was the most overrated player in NBA history. Even his big numbers in college were recorded at Princeton playing an Ivy League schedule. But, he was an erudite Rhodes Scholar and future Senator playing in the biggest media market in the USA and so he got a lot of undeserved credit despite being arguably the worst rebounding forward in the NBA, a below average man defender, and an average, maybe above average jump shooter but certainly not elite.

However, he was a smart and willing passer and fit the system. Barry was never known for sublimating his ego to . . . well . . . anything; he considered it dishonesty to achieve even normal politeness and even when he won an NBA title, went out of his way to disparage his teammates. I don't think the Knicks become a great team with Barry around.

Agreed. It isn't always as simple as, "Player Y is more talented than Player X, therefore the team would be better with Player Y than Player X."

ThaRegul8r wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:

Johnlac1 wrote:

Spoiler:

The ironic thing about Frazier's rookie year was that was Bill Bradley's rookie year as well. Nobody from today knows much about Bradley, but he had a tremendous college career and many people thought he'd be a superstar in the pros. The Knicks actually passed up Rick Barry to draft Bradley who didn't play for two years after his senior year at Princeton. When he did play for the Knicks, many people were deeply disappointed with Bradley, who while an excellent cog and future HOFer, really was never a star. But the Knicks got themselves a gem in Frazier who became one the greatest guards in the league. If the Knicks had drafted Barry to go along with Frazier and Reed, they probably would have won several more titles during that period. Barry was easily superior to Bradley even though Bradley played well in the Knicks system.

I am on record a number of times as saying Bradley was the most overrated player in NBA history. Even his big numbers in college were recorded at Princeton playing an Ivy League schedule. But, he was an erudite Rhodes Scholar and future Senator playing in the biggest media market in the USA and so he got a lot of undeserved credit despite being arguably the worst rebounding forward in the NBA, a below average man defender, and an average, maybe above average jump shooter but certainly not elite.

However, he was a smart and willing passer and fit the system. Barry was never known for sublimating his ego to . . . well . . . anything; he considered it dishonesty to achieve even normal politeness and even when he won an NBA title, went out of his way to disparage his teammates. I don't think the Knicks become a great team with Barry around.

Agreed. It isn't always as simple as, "Player Y is more talented than Player X, therefore the team would be better with Player Y than Player X."

I'll have to disagree. Barry was the best passing forward in the league. I'm aware of the value of chemistry, but I think the Knicks would have been better with Barry.

Johnlac1 wrote:

ThaRegul8r wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:
I am on record a number of times as saying Bradley was the most overrated player in NBA history. Even his big numbers in college were recorded at Princeton playing an Ivy League schedule. But, he was an erudite Rhodes Scholar and future Senator playing in the biggest media market in the USA and so he got a lot of undeserved credit despite being arguably the worst rebounding forward in the NBA, a below average man defender, and an average, maybe above average jump shooter but certainly not elite.

However, he was a smart and willing passer and fit the system. Barry was never known for sublimating his ego to . . . well . . . anything; he considered it dishonesty to achieve even normal politeness and even when he won an NBA title, went out of his way to disparage his teammates. I don't think the Knicks become a great team with Barry around.

Agreed. It isn't always as simple as, "Player Y is more talented than Player X, therefore the team would be better with Player Y than Player X."

I'll have to disagree. Barry was the best passing forward in the league. I'm aware of the value of chemistry, but I think the Knicks would have been better with Barry.

As it is well within your right to do. We're simply looking at it from two different angles.

Nice discussion of my namesake!

The way the position is played has definitely changed over the years. There just aren't that many "back you down with size" PGs anymore like payton, kidd, etc. Of course they were bigger like frazier, but billups and andre miller definitely had some of that, too.

What probably makes clyde most unique and hard to compare with others was his ability to steal the ball from behind the player. He knew their next move and was able to tap the ball away for countless breakaway layups.