Bravenewworld wrote:bondom34 wrote:1. No, I'm showing he's been bad at multiple things, TS is one. He's also a poor finisher, doesn't look for open teammates, overshoots, has poor shot selection, and isn't very good defensively, thoguh I haven't focused on that here.
So you're highlighting 2 things? 2 Advanced stats, that even when combined or used alone, don't at all represent the player and how good or bad they are or can be?
Again, and i edited my last post so you might not have seen it...
On that list btw, Waiters ( at 40 ) is ahead of Monta Ellis, who im sure you think sucks, and yes he is a split guard. Henderson, Bledsoe, Walker, Green... oh look at that, Lamb (who is at 96), and JR Smith who is at 100.... I guess Lamb is really another JR Smith.
But when i see a list with Parker, JJ, Monta, Richardson, Rondo, Stuckey, etc. and youre saying "Here, Waiters fits in this group right here".... how in the holy hell do you expect me to come to the conclusion that he is a bad player? Does that actually make sense to you? All you've done is shown some negative aspects of his game and if youre being honest and then showing this link, you'd come to the conclusion that those negative aspects dont actually say anything overall of the player.Unless of course you're saying that Monta Ellis sucks, Tony Parker sucks, Joe johnson sucks, etc.
This is not a good way to prove your point. If anything, its just backing up everything ive been saying. I get what youre saying, but given the list you just provided, it should show you that what youre saying is not an indicator for anything. There is zero consistency on that list, we cant at all draw any conclusion, except for that its common among players.
2. A guard isn't a guard. I dont expect a guy like John Wall to do the same things as a guy like Kyle Korver, but they're both guards. You don't take a guy like Wall, who's main criticism is he can't shoot, and use him as an example when Waiters does nothing Wall does well.
A guard is a guard. The skill sets are the same, just different focuses depending on system and coach. If you have Phil, you need your shooting guard to do what you expect a point guard to do. And a point guard (paxton, skiles, fisher, etc) to do what Korver does.
They are interchangeable positions and the majority of point guards on that list you provided, also spend time at the 2. Because again, its the same required skill set.
Your little Wall and Waiters thing is just a comparison between players, not positions. Even with the Cavs, Waiters was used similar to Harden on OKC. And Harden on OKC was a 1/2. A quick scoring 2 while RWD and/or KD was on the bench for a bit, who need to handle the ball and distribute as well.
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