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I intend to start making "scouting video" breakdowns on players that could do inside and out all-around play/everything. Such as Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, or Connie Hawins. In order to do this and in order to improve the videos I make in general, I think I need to better understand the fundamental ways at least the NBA itself tends to "group" events that happen on the floor that lead to a player scoring points.

Here's NBA.com's "Play Type Statistics" that are supposed to be able to encapsulate all possible events that directly lead to a player making a basket:

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/?PT=player&OD=offensive

Transition
When the possession-ending event comes before the defense sets following a possession change and a transition from one end of the court to the other.

Isolation
When the possession-ending event is created during a “one-on-one” matchup. The defender needs to be set and have all of his defensive options at the initiation of the play.

Pick & Roll: Ball Handler
A screen is set on the ball handler’s defender out on the perimeter. The offensive player can use the screen or go away from it and as long as the play yields a possession-ending event, it is tagged as a pick and roll.

Pick & Roll: Roll Man
When a screen is set for the ball handler, and the screen setter then receives the ball for a possession-ending event. This action can include: pick and rolls, pick and pops and the screener slipping the pick.

Post-Up
When an offensive player receives the ball with their back to the basket and is less than 15' from the rim when the possession-ending event occurs.

Spot-Up
When the possession-ending event is a catch-and-shoot or catch-and-drive play.

Hand-Off
The screen setter starts with the ball and hands the ball to a player cutting close by. This enables the player handing the ball off to effectively screen off a defender creating space for the player receiving the ball.

Cut
An interior play where the finisher catches a pass while moving toward, parallel to or slightly away from the basket. This will include back screen and flash cuts as well as times when the player is left open near the basket.

Off Screen
Identifies players coming off of screens (typically downs screens) going away from the basket toward the perimeter. This includes curl, fades, and coming off straight.

Offensive Rebound (putbacks)
When the rebounder attempts to score before passing the ball or establishing themselves in another play type.

Miscellaneous
When the action doesn't fit any of the other play types. This includes, but is not limited to, last second full court shots, fouls in the backcourt, or errant passes not out of a different play type, etc.

I have a few questions about certain types of plays.

* Under the category "Spot-Up" it includes catch-and-drive as a play type. What is an example of a catch and drive? Does it matter where the defender is? (IE if the defender is totally "ready" and set does it suddenly make it an isolation "one on one" play or is it still catch and drive if there's little to no hesitation on the "catch and drive"?)

* Under the category "Transition" do you think it includes a stolen inbound pass where the defense technically isn't set/ready even though the play technically didn't go from one basket to the other? Or would those fall under "miscellaneous"?

* Under the category "Pick and Roll: Ball Handler" it basically seems to imply any time a screen is set for you, as the ball handler, whether you choose to use it or not, if you score on that possession it's a "Pick and Roll" possession... even if no rolling to the basket is done!? I'm envisioning many plays where picks are set, and the ball handler runs his man by the screen and just pops off a shot... does that fall under this category? It must because that play doesn't fall under the other categories involving screens as those are all off-ball screen categories correct?

https://youtu.be/Lnu5vMfPtbw?t=2m14s

For example that basket by Elgin Baylor. Is that more accurately described as a "catch and drive"? Or an "isolation play"?

He caught it and drove... though it also looks clearly like a one on one move being that the defender had "all of his options"... plays like this I'm not sure how to categorize as I don't know the distinguishing difference. Does his pump fake/hesitation prior to the drive nullify a catch and drive? Would a pump-fake or hesitation also nullify a catch and shoot?

A good one on one player like Elgin often fakes or hesitates upon catching the ball to get the defender off balance, unlike your more traditional "spot up" players. It makes me think I should categorize those fake/hesitation catches more as one on one plays unless you guys think otherwise?

CavaliersFTW wrote:I intend to start making "scouting video" breakdowns on players that could do inside and out all-around play/everything. Such as Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, or Connie Hawins. In order to do this and in order to improve the videos I make in general, I think I need to better understand the fundamental ways at least the NBA itself tends to "group" events that happen on the floor that lead to a player scoring points.

Here's NBA.com's "Play Type Statistics" that are supposed to be able to encapsulate all possible events that directly lead to a player making a basket:

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/?PT=player&OD=offensive

Transition
When the possession-ending event comes before the defense sets following a possession change and a transition from one end of the court to the other.

Isolation
When the possession-ending event is created during a “one-on-one” matchup. The defender needs to be set and have all of his defensive options at the initiation of the play.

Pick & Roll: Ball Handler
A screen is set on the ball handler’s defender out on the perimeter. The offensive player can use the screen or go away from it and as long as the play yields a possession-ending event, it is tagged as a pick and roll.

Pick & Roll: Roll Man
When a screen is set for the ball handler, and the screen setter then receives the ball for a possession-ending event. This action can include: pick and rolls, pick and pops and the screener slipping the pick.

Post-Up
When an offensive player receives the ball with their back to the basket and is less than 15' from the rim when the possession-ending event occurs.

Spot-Up
When the possession-ending event is a catch-and-shoot or catch-and-drive play.

Hand-Off
The screen setter starts with the ball and hands the ball to a player cutting close by. This enables the player handing the ball off to effectively screen off a defender creating space for the player receiving the ball.

Cut
An interior play where the finisher catches a pass while moving toward, parallel to or slightly away from the basket. This will include back screen and flash cuts as well as times when the player is left open near the basket.

Off Screen
Identifies players coming off of screens (typically downs screens) going away from the basket toward the perimeter. This includes curl, fades, and coming off straight.

Offensive Rebound (putbacks)
When the rebounder attempts to score before passing the ball or establishing themselves in another play type.

Miscellaneous
When the action doesn't fit any of the other play types. This includes, but is not limited to, last second full court shots, fouls in the backcourt, or errant passes not out of a different play type, etc.

I have a few questions about certain types of plays.

* Under the category "Spot-Up" it includes catch-and-drive as a play type. What is an example of a catch and drive? Does it matter where the defender is? (IE if the defender is totally "ready" and set does it suddenly make it an isolation "one on one" play or is it still catch and drive if there's little to no hesitation on the "catch and drive"?)

* Under the category "Transition" do you think it includes a stolen inbound pass where the defense technically isn't set/ready even though the play technically didn't go from one basket to the other? Or would those fall under "miscellaneous"?

* Under the category "Pick and Roll: Ball Handler" it basically seems to imply any time a screen is set for you, as the ball handler, whether you choose to use it or not, if you score on that possession it's a "Pick and Roll" possession... even if no rolling to the basket is done!? I'm envisioning many plays where picks are set, and the ball handler runs his man by the screen and just pops off a shot... does that fall under this category? It must because that play doesn't fall under the other categories involving screens as those are all off-ball screen categories correct?

catch and drive =
when you see mj catch the ball, do you know when he sometimes fakes a shot and drives the defender, or they are in acres of space and instead of shooting the open shot they attack the open path to the rim?

I would classify transition as any possession where the defenders arent set when the basket is scored

as for the pick and roll, basically, yeah.

for the catch and drive yeah, I think that elgin play works

MyUniBroDavis wrote:

CavaliersFTW wrote:I intend to start making "scouting video" breakdowns on players that could do inside and out all-around play/everything. Such as Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, or Connie Hawins. In order to do this and in order to improve the videos I make in general, I think I need to better understand the fundamental ways at least the NBA itself tends to "group" events that happen on the floor that lead to a player scoring points.

Here's NBA.com's "Play Type Statistics" that are supposed to be able to encapsulate all possible events that directly lead to a player making a basket:

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/?PT=player&OD=offensive

Transition
When the possession-ending event comes before the defense sets following a possession change and a transition from one end of the court to the other.

Isolation
When the possession-ending event is created during a “one-on-one” matchup. The defender needs to be set and have all of his defensive options at the initiation of the play.

Pick & Roll: Ball Handler
A screen is set on the ball handler’s defender out on the perimeter. The offensive player can use the screen or go away from it and as long as the play yields a possession-ending event, it is tagged as a pick and roll.

Pick & Roll: Roll Man
When a screen is set for the ball handler, and the screen setter then receives the ball for a possession-ending event. This action can include: pick and rolls, pick and pops and the screener slipping the pick.

Post-Up
When an offensive player receives the ball with their back to the basket and is less than 15' from the rim when the possession-ending event occurs.

Spot-Up
When the possession-ending event is a catch-and-shoot or catch-and-drive play.

Hand-Off
The screen setter starts with the ball and hands the ball to a player cutting close by. This enables the player handing the ball off to effectively screen off a defender creating space for the player receiving the ball.

Cut
An interior play where the finisher catches a pass while moving toward, parallel to or slightly away from the basket. This will include back screen and flash cuts as well as times when the player is left open near the basket.

Off Screen
Identifies players coming off of screens (typically downs screens) going away from the basket toward the perimeter. This includes curl, fades, and coming off straight.

Offensive Rebound (putbacks)
When the rebounder attempts to score before passing the ball or establishing themselves in another play type.

Miscellaneous
When the action doesn't fit any of the other play types. This includes, but is not limited to, last second full court shots, fouls in the backcourt, or errant passes not out of a different play type, etc.

I have a few questions about certain types of plays.

* Under the category "Spot-Up" it includes catch-and-drive as a play type. What is an example of a catch and drive? Does it matter where the defender is? (IE if the defender is totally "ready" and set does it suddenly make it an isolation "one on one" play or is it still catch and drive if there's little to no hesitation on the "catch and drive"?)

* Under the category "Transition" do you think it includes a stolen inbound pass where the defense technically isn't set/ready even though the play technically didn't go from one basket to the other? Or would those fall under "miscellaneous"?

* Under the category "Pick and Roll: Ball Handler" it basically seems to imply any time a screen is set for you, as the ball handler, whether you choose to use it or not, if you score on that possession it's a "Pick and Roll" possession... even if no rolling to the basket is done!? I'm envisioning many plays where picks are set, and the ball handler runs his man by the screen and just pops off a shot... does that fall under this category? It must because that play doesn't fall under the other categories involving screens as those are all off-ball screen categories correct?

catch and drive =
when you see mj catch the ball, do you know when he sometimes fakes a shot and drives the defender, or they are in acres of space and instead of shooting the open shot they attack the open path to the rim?

I would classify transition as any possession where the defenders arent set when the basket is scored

as for the pick and roll, basically, yeah.

for the catch and drive yeah, I think that elgin play works

Thanks for your input. So does the play above with Elgin illustrate a catch and drive rather than an isolation play?

CavaliersFTW wrote:

MyUniBroDavis wrote:

CavaliersFTW wrote:I intend to start making "scouting video" breakdowns on players that could do inside and out all-around play/everything. Such as Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, or Connie Hawins. In order to do this and in order to improve the videos I make in general, I think I need to better understand the fundamental ways at least the NBA itself tends to "group" events that happen on the floor that lead to a player scoring points.

Here's NBA.com's "Play Type Statistics" that are supposed to be able to encapsulate all possible events that directly lead to a player making a basket:

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/?PT=player&OD=offensive

Transition
When the possession-ending event comes before the defense sets following a possession change and a transition from one end of the court to the other.

Isolation
When the possession-ending event is created during a “one-on-one” matchup. The defender needs to be set and have all of his defensive options at the initiation of the play.

Pick & Roll: Ball Handler
A screen is set on the ball handler’s defender out on the perimeter. The offensive player can use the screen or go away from it and as long as the play yields a possession-ending event, it is tagged as a pick and roll.

Pick & Roll: Roll Man
When a screen is set for the ball handler, and the screen setter then receives the ball for a possession-ending event. This action can include: pick and rolls, pick and pops and the screener slipping the pick.

Post-Up
When an offensive player receives the ball with their back to the basket and is less than 15' from the rim when the possession-ending event occurs.

Spot-Up
When the possession-ending event is a catch-and-shoot or catch-and-drive play.

Hand-Off
The screen setter starts with the ball and hands the ball to a player cutting close by. This enables the player handing the ball off to effectively screen off a defender creating space for the player receiving the ball.

Cut
An interior play where the finisher catches a pass while moving toward, parallel to or slightly away from the basket. This will include back screen and flash cuts as well as times when the player is left open near the basket.

Off Screen
Identifies players coming off of screens (typically downs screens) going away from the basket toward the perimeter. This includes curl, fades, and coming off straight.

Offensive Rebound (putbacks)
When the rebounder attempts to score before passing the ball or establishing themselves in another play type.

Miscellaneous
When the action doesn't fit any of the other play types. This includes, but is not limited to, last second full court shots, fouls in the backcourt, or errant passes not out of a different play type, etc.

I have a few questions about certain types of plays.

* Under the category "Spot-Up" it includes catch-and-drive as a play type. What is an example of a catch and drive? Does it matter where the defender is? (IE if the defender is totally "ready" and set does it suddenly make it an isolation "one on one" play or is it still catch and drive if there's little to no hesitation on the "catch and drive"?)

* Under the category "Transition" do you think it includes a stolen inbound pass where the defense technically isn't set/ready even though the play technically didn't go from one basket to the other? Or would those fall under "miscellaneous"?

* Under the category "Pick and Roll: Ball Handler" it basically seems to imply any time a screen is set for you, as the ball handler, whether you choose to use it or not, if you score on that possession it's a "Pick and Roll" possession... even if no rolling to the basket is done!? I'm envisioning many plays where picks are set, and the ball handler runs his man by the screen and just pops off a shot... does that fall under this category? It must because that play doesn't fall under the other categories involving screens as those are all off-ball screen categories correct?

catch and drive =
when you see mj catch the ball, do you know when he sometimes fakes a shot and drives the defender, or they are in acres of space and instead of shooting the open shot they attack the open path to the rim?

I would classify transition as any possession where the defenders arent set when the basket is scored

as for the pick and roll, basically, yeah.

for the catch and drive yeah, I think that elgin play works

Thanks for your input. So does the play above with Elgin illustrate a catch and drive rather than an isolation play?

Im in school right now, so youtube is blocked.

Ill take a look at it later, but tbh, As long as the play is there, I doubt anyone will mind. judging from your description, I guess i would consider it a ccatch

CavaliersFTW wrote:https://youtu.be/Lnu5vMfPtbw?t=2m14s

For example that basket by Elgin Baylor. Is that more accurately described as a "catch and drive"? Or an "isolation play"?

He caught it and drove... though it also looks clearly like a one on one move being that the defender had "all of his options"... plays like this I'm not sure how to categorize as I don't know the distinguishing difference. Does his pump fake/hesitation prior to the drive nullify a catch and drive? Would a pump-fake or hesitation also nullify a catch and shoot?

A good one on one player like Elgin often fakes or hesitates upon catching the ball to get the defender off balance, unlike your more traditional "spot up" players. It makes me think I should categorize those fake/hesitation catches more as one on one plays unless you guys think otherwise?

I would classify that play as an isolation since he catches it, pauses, squares up and then drives.

Nitro1118 wrote:

CavaliersFTW wrote:https://youtu.be/Lnu5vMfPtbw?t=2m14s

For example that basket by Elgin Baylor. Is that more accurately described as a "catch and drive"? Or an "isolation play"?

He caught it and drove... though it also looks clearly like a one on one move being that the defender had "all of his options"... plays like this I'm not sure how to categorize as I don't know the distinguishing difference. Does his pump fake/hesitation prior to the drive nullify a catch and drive? Would a pump-fake or hesitation also nullify a catch and shoot?

A good one on one player like Elgin often fakes or hesitates upon catching the ball to get the defender off balance, unlike your more traditional "spot up" players. It makes me think I should categorize those fake/hesitation catches more as one on one plays unless you guys think otherwise?

I would classify that play as an isolation since he catches it, pauses, squares up and then drives.

Okay so the hesitation/square up or pump fake and square up etc nullifies that possession and likely other similarly executed possessions from being true spot up plays? That's sort of what I suspected. He only takes a moment to square up but it looks like his defender is totally set and ready for that - one on one.

Are spot up plays essentially an immediate pull up or sprint to the hoop with no other extra time spent squaring up (even a moments worth)? When I think about players who excellent spot up players, a true spot up is when those players are already feet-set and prepped for their charge inside or jumper.

If you agree this play below is the same "isolation" classification than I think I'm on the same page:

https://youtu.be/B42AgJe6Uq8?t=1m59s

If you don't agree, what makes that one different than Elgin's hook shot play?

CavaliersFTW wrote:

Nitro1118 wrote:

CavaliersFTW wrote:https://youtu.be/Lnu5vMfPtbw?t=2m14s

For example that basket by Elgin Baylor. Is that more accurately described as a "catch and drive"? Or an "isolation play"?

He caught it and drove... though it also looks clearly like a one on one move being that the defender had "all of his options"... plays like this I'm not sure how to categorize as I don't know the distinguishing difference. Does his pump fake/hesitation prior to the drive nullify a catch and drive? Would a pump-fake or hesitation also nullify a catch and shoot?

A good one on one player like Elgin often fakes or hesitates upon catching the ball to get the defender off balance, unlike your more traditional "spot up" players. It makes me think I should categorize those fake/hesitation catches more as one on one plays unless you guys think otherwise?

I would classify that play as an isolation since he catches it, pauses, squares up and then drives.

Okay so the hesitation/square up or pump fake and square up etc nullifies that possession and likely other similarly executed possessions from being true spot up plays? That's sort of what I suspected. He only takes a moment to square up but it looks like his defender is totally set and ready for that - one on one.

Are spot up plays essentially an immediate pull up or sprint to the hoop with no other extra time spent squaring up (even a moments worth)? When I think about players who excellent spot up players, a true spot up is when those players are already feet-set and prepped for their charge inside or jumper.

If you agree this play below is the same "isolation" classification than I think I'm on the same page:

https://youtu.be/B42AgJe6Uq8?t=1m59s

If you don't agree, what makes that one different than Elgin's hook shot play?

I'd personally classify that as a catch and drive,

Generally, I would say that if there is a noticeable pause

If it's generally in one motion, even if there is a pump fake, I would classify it as a catch and drive

If there is a pause, enough so that the defender has his options, I would classify it as an isolation

I might be looking at it wrong, but the defender looked to be caught somewhat wrong footed in the all star play. It was a fast enough motion I would say that it's a catch and drive

If there is a "break" enough for the defender to get set up, I would say it is an isolation.

I agree with unibrow, to me the time the defender has to recover matters the most

Okay looks like bballbreakdown has done some videos visualizing some of these and yes, even with a pumpfake or hesitation a catch and drive or shoot is considered a spot up play

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C5KHDabWPQ[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD-o51KMr8U[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7YowMrqYmM[/youtube]