All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain:

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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#241 » by mstat13shuh » Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:34 am

Another biblical statistic from the Mar. 18 & 19 '68 Wilt games that some may be overlooking, but yet not realizing it:

By today's assist criteria:

WILT HAD CONSECUTIVE TRIPLE-22 games FOR AT LEAST THE 2ND TIME IN HIS CAREER!
AND ON CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS!

March 18, 1968 Phi vs LAL: 53pts 32reb 24blk
March 19, 1968 Phi vs Cin: 22pts 27reb 24ast(today's criteria)(OT)


In closing, I'm pretty certain there probably was at least another time or 2 Wilt accomplished this feat, but only with blocks.
And I'm extremely confident that it occurred in the early '60s, for a myriad of reasons.
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Post#242 » by 70sFan » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:49 am

mstat13shuh wrote:Another biblical statistic from the Mar. 18 & 19 '68 Wilt games that some may be overlooking, but yet not realizing it:

By today's assist criteria:

WILT HAD CONSECUTIVE TRIPLE-22 games FOR AT LEAST THE 2ND TIME IN HIS CAREER!
AND ON CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS!

March 18, 1968 Phi vs LAL: 53pts 32reb 24blk
March 19, 1968 Phi vs Cin: 22pts 27reb 24ast(today's criteria)(OT)


In closing, I'm pretty certain there probably was at least another time or 2 Wilt accomplished this feat, but only with blocks.
And I'm extremely confident that it occurred in the early '60s, for a myriad of reasons.

I have a question - how do you know that some stats are "by today's criteria"?
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Post#243 » by mstat13shuh » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:47 am

70sFan wrote:
mstat13shuh wrote:Another biblical statistic from the Mar. 18 & 19 '68 Wilt games that some may be overlooking, but yet not realizing it:

By today's assist criteria:

WILT HAD CONSECUTIVE TRIPLE-22 games FOR AT LEAST THE 2ND TIME IN HIS CAREER!
AND ON CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS!

March 18, 1968 Phi vs LAL: 53pts 32reb 24blk
March 19, 1968 Phi vs Cin: 22pts 27reb 24ast(today's criteria)(OT)


In closing, I'm pretty certain there probably was at least another time or 2 Wilt accomplished this feat, but only with blocks.
And I'm extremely confident that it occurred in the early '60s, for a myriad of reasons.

I have a question - how do you know that some stats are "by today's criteria"?


Maybe I should've been a little more specific here.

When I say "by today's criteria," I mean

"by today's assist criteria"

I apologize if that caused any unnecessary confusion.

I figured since I put "by today's criteria" by the assist total, it would've immediately been understood by everyone.

But perhaps I was wrong.

Thanks for asking though, I thought it was a fair question.
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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#244 » by mstat13shuh » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:18 am

IMPORTANT UPDATE #1

ALL OF WILT'S ROOKIE SEASON PLAYOFF BLOCKS

1960 1st Round vs Syracuse

Game 1: 35pts 27reb 15blk
Game 2: 28pts 18reb 11blk
Game 3: 53pts 22reb 13blk

3 game avg: 38.7ppg 22.3rbg 13bpg

1960 Eastern Division Finals vs Boston

Game 1: 42pts 29reb 12blk
Game 2: 29reb 28reb 14blk
Game 3: 12pts 15reb 3blk
Game 4: 24pts 34reb 7blk
Game 5: 50pts 35reb 22blk
Game 6: 26pts 24reb 15blk

6 game avg: 30.5ppg 27.5rpg 12.2bpg

9 game overall avg: 33.2ppg 25.8rpg 12.4bpg

A 50pts 35reb 22blk playoff game as a rookie, only rookie(or even player for that matter)to accomplish such a feat
2 50pt playoff triple-doubles as a rookie, only rookie(or player) to accomplish such a feat
5 triple-doubles his 1st 5 playoff games - actual record, Bill Russell scored in double figures his 1st 3 playoff games
7 triple-doubles his 1st playoffs - possible record, Russell scored in double figures in 8 of 10 playoff games
(I don't have all of Russ's rookie season playoff blocks, but even I'm not certain he had 8 triple-doubles in the 10 games)
15 blocks his 1st playoff game, probably a record for most blocks by a player his 1st playoff game
(1 Boston paper has Russ with a dozen blocks his 1st playoff game, maybe more, maybe less, update hopefully coming soon.)
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Post#245 » by mstat13shuh » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:33 am

IMPORTANT UPDATE #2

WILT CHAMBERLAIN

2 OCCASIONS WITH 3 CONSECUTIVE >20 BLOCK GAMES!

1 OCCASION WITH CONSECUTIVE 27 BLOCK GAMES!

Nov. 4-9, 1960

Nov. 4, 1960 vs Det: 27blk
Nov. 5, 1960 vs Det: 50blk(at Boston)
Nov. 9, 1960 vs LAL: 21blk(at St. Louis)

Jan. 21-23, 1965(his 1st 3 76ers games!)

Jan. 21, 1965 vs SFW: 20blk
Jan. 22, 1965 vs Det: 21blk
Jan. 23, 1965 vs Bos: 20blk
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Post#246 » by mstat13shuh » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:56 am

IMPORTANT UPDATE #3

WILT CHAMBERLAIN

11 TRIPLE-DOUBLES HIS 1ST 11 76ers GAMES!

Jan. 21, 1965 vs SFW: 22pts 29reb 20blk
Jan. 22, 1965 vs Det: 21pts 32reb 21blk
Jan. 23, 1965 vs Bos: 16pts 26reb 20blk(Russell 0-14 FGA)
Jan. 26, 1965 vs Det: 17pts 22reb 16blk
Jan. 27, 1965 at Bos: 28pts 19reb 15blk
Jan. 29, 1965 vs Bos: 27pts 34reb 11ast(today's assist criteria) 22blk
Jan. 31, 1965 vs Cin: 36pts 17reb 17blk
Feb. 2, 1965 vs STL: 24pts 16reb 18blk
Feb. 3, 1965 vs NYK: 29pts 13reb 24blk
Feb. 4, 1965 vs STL: 35pts 31reb 13blk
Feb. 6, 1965 vs Cin: 31pts 14reb 14blk

In summary:

3 20 block games his 1st 3 76er games - in 3 days
no less than 13 blocks in any of the 11 games

11 game overall average:

26ppg
23rpg
18.2bpg

76ers record: 9-2
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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#247 » by Mazter » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:08 pm

mstat13shuh wrote:IMPORTANT UPDATE #2
Nov. 5, 1960 vs Det: 50blk(at Boston)

This one seems really far fetched. I know that things would seem very impressive at the time and people would swear on someones live or grave that this did happen. But the Pistons missed like 71 shots that night. Wilt did probably have about 15-20 defensive rebounds that night. That means 50 blocks and 15-20 rebounds on 71 possessions. Even if every block lead to his own rebound it seems highly unlikely. Given that they would have to shoot 70% on shots not blocked by Wilt.
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Post#248 » by 70sFan » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:41 pm

Mazter wrote:
mstat13shuh wrote:IMPORTANT UPDATE #2
Nov. 5, 1960 vs Det: 50blk(at Boston)

This one seems really far fetched. I know that things would seem very impressive at the time and people would swear on someones live or grave that this did happen. But the Pistons missed like 71 shots that night. Wilt did probably have about 15-20 defensive rebounds that night. That means 50 blocks and 15-20 rebounds on 71 possessions. Even if every block lead to a rebound it seems highly unlikely. Given that they would have to shoot 70% on shots not blocked by Wilt.

I agree, this is impossible. Having one player blocking 50 shots would mean that he played against people who don't know anything about basketball and Wilt played against professional players. I can understand 20+blocks games, because the pace was faster, there was no three point line and Wilt was absurdly athletic but 50? No, I won't believe that.
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Post#249 » by Ambrose » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:00 pm

There is no way 50 blocks is accurate.
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Post#250 » by Goudelock » Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:04 am

mstat13shuh wrote:IMPORTANT UPDATE #2

WILT CHAMBERLAIN

2 OCCASIONS WITH 3 CONSECUTIVE >20 BLOCK GAMES!

1 OCCASION WITH CONSECUTIVE 27 BLOCK GAMES!

Nov. 4-9, 1960

Nov. 4, 1960 vs Det: 27blk
Nov. 5, 1960 vs Det: 50blk(at Boston)
Nov. 9, 1960 vs LAL: 21blk(at St. Louis)

Jan. 21-23, 1965(his 1st 3 76ers games!)

Jan. 21, 1965 vs SFW: 20blk
Jan. 22, 1965 vs Det: 21blk
Jan. 23, 1965 vs Bos: 20blk


Hey bro, maybe you've said it earlier in the thread, but what are your sources for these numbers? Can you point to the newspaper articles or documents that you're getting these numbers from?
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Post#251 » by mstat13shuh » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:18 am

Ambrose wrote:There is no way 50 blocks is accurate.


Well that's your opinion, but that doesn't mean you're more right than me.

Unless you can prove it's inaccurate, you can't prove me wrong anymore than I can prove you right.

All I know is, this was from the Boston American.

And even if there's no complete copy of the game, I'm pretty certain he had AT LEAST 40 blocks, if not more.
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Post#252 » by mstat13shuh » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:21 am

Goudelock wrote:
mstat13shuh wrote:IMPORTANT UPDATE #2

WILT CHAMBERLAIN

2 OCCASIONS WITH 3 CONSECUTIVE >20 BLOCK GAMES!

1 OCCASION WITH CONSECUTIVE 27 BLOCK GAMES!

Nov. 4-9, 1960

Nov. 4, 1960 vs Det: 27blk
Nov. 5, 1960 vs Det: 50blk(at Boston)
Nov. 9, 1960 vs LAL: 21blk(at St. Louis)

Jan. 21-23, 1965(his 1st 3 76ers games!)

Jan. 21, 1965 vs SFW: 20blk
Jan. 22, 1965 vs Det: 21blk
Jan. 23, 1965 vs Bos: 20blk


Hey bro, maybe you've said it earlier in the thread, but what are your sources for these numbers? Can you point to the newspaper articles or documents that you're getting these numbers from?


Except for the Nov. 5, 1960 game, which is from the Boston American,
all the block totals are from another subscriber on the forum, who shall remain unnamed,
who has access to all the games, as well as additional ones, that are listed on this forum.
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Post#253 » by mstat13shuh » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:38 am

Smh, I didn't necessarily want to post this, I'd much rather keep the vibe as positive and enlightening as much as possible,
however, some of today's posts have prompted me to do so:

1) First of all, I never said Wilt blocked 50 shots in the Nov. 5, 1960 game. The Boston American paper said this in it's game story.
The sportswriter reported it, the only one that I've come across who did choose to report in their game story,
and I choose to unload it on the chat forum.

2) For all I & we know, maybe Wilt didn't block 50 shots in the game, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was at least 40, if not more.
Maybe he got caught up in Wilt's shot-blocking extravaganza and lost count somewhat. But that doesn't mean he was irresponsible in trying to report the block total. Maybe he just lost count or something.

3) If it's possible for Bill Russell to block 40 shots in around 30 minutes in a preseason game, like he did in '61 vs Chicago Packers(and Bellamy), then it's ABSOLUTELY possible for Wilt to have AT LEAST 1, IF NOT MORE 50 block game in around 48 minutes.(And about the 40 block preseason game, I DO HAVE MORE THAN 1 SOURCE FOR THOSE WHO STILL DOUBT MY RESEARCH.)

4) What's the hell's going on with the negativity & skepticism here? There's FAR too much of that in the world today. I thought at least a few people here today would be enlightened & inspired by what I posted yesterday, but NO! ALL NEGATIVE & SKEPTICAL! COME ON PEOPLE!

Smfh, I'm just saying, if there's too much negativity on here for much longer, I might as well not even consider posting anything further. I've got MUCH bigger fish to fry.
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Post#254 » by mstat13shuh » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:49 am

(Ps: I had some new data that I was initially considering posting today as well, but after seeing today's posts, I don't believe it's worth it whatsoever. I put FAR too much time, effort, concentration & dedication into doing this to deal with the unnecessary skepticism. I'm EXTREMELY disappointed & disheartened about this. I can certainly understand some skepticism about Wilt's accomplishments, even from some here on the chat forum, but some of the skepticism, from my perspective, borders on outright disrespect & dismissal.)
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Post#255 » by Goudelock » Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:11 am

mstat13shuh wrote:(Ps: I had some new data that I was initially considering posting today as well, but after seeing today's posts, I don't believe it's worth it whatsoever. I put FAR too much time, effort, concentration & dedication into doing this to deal with the unnecessary skepticism. I'm EXTREMELY disappointed & disheartened about this. I can certainly understand some skepticism about Wilt's accomplishments, even from some here on the chat forum, but some of the skepticism, from my perspective, borders on outright disrespect & dismissal.)


Are you surprised that the posters on this site are somewhat hesitant to declare what you've posted as the truth without any proof aside from what you've posted? In most academic or journalistic pursuits, citing sources is expected. You're dropping some absolute bombshells in this thread and so we're just wanting to be able to verify these crazy numbers. If you were able to post screenshots of a newspaper article along with the numbers, or just posted a link to the story, that would probably be sufficient for most.

Because I mean no disrespect, but I looked at this thread and it just seemed like you were just posting random numbers, since you didn't say where you got these numbers from. I assume you're not poring over film, so is posting some images of box scores or notes too much to ask?

If your source is already okay with you posting the raw numbers, then why would they have an issue with you posting the box scores, notes, or game stories? Your posts are groundbreaking and extremely exciting if you can prove that they're true.
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Post#256 » by Ambrose » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:08 am

mstat13shuh wrote:
Ambrose wrote:There is no way 50 blocks is accurate.


Well that's your opinion, but that doesn't mean you're more right than me.

Unless you can prove it's inaccurate, you can't prove me wrong anymore than I can prove you right.

All I know is, this was from the Boston American.

And even if there's no complete copy of the game, I'm pretty certain he had AT LEAST 40 blocks, if not more.


The onus is on you to prove it as you put it out there. The NBA record for rebounds in a game is 55. The recorded record for blocks is 17. The claim that Wilt had triple the recorded record and nearly as many blocks as the all time rebound record simply isn't believable.

The information you've provided in the thread is great. There's really only one claim people have balked at to my knowledge. Throwing a tantrum over it and taking it personal is the wrong way to go about it. You're doing great work. There is one claim that seems highly unlikely that people would need real evidence to believe. It's nothing personal.
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Post#257 » by mstat13shuh » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:16 am

Goudelock wrote:
mstat13shuh wrote:(Ps: I had some new data that I was initially considering posting today as well, but after seeing today's posts, I don't believe it's worth it whatsoever. I put FAR too much time, effort, concentration & dedication into doing this to deal with the unnecessary skepticism. I'm EXTREMELY disappointed & disheartened about this. I can certainly understand some skepticism about Wilt's accomplishments, even from some here on the chat forum, but some of the skepticism, from my perspective, borders on outright disrespect & dismissal.)


Are you surprised that the posters on this site are somewhat hesitant to declare what you've posted as the truth without any proof aside from what you've posted? In most academic or journalistic pursuits, citing sources is expected. You're dropping some absolute bombshells in this thread and so we're just wanting to be able to verify these crazy numbers. If you were able to post screenshots of a newspaper article along with the numbers, or just posted a link to the story, that would probably be sufficient for most.

Because I mean no disrespect, but I looked at this thread and it just seemed like you were just posting random numbers, since you didn't say where you got these numbers from. I assume you're not poring over film, so is posting some images of box scores or notes too much to ask?

If your source is already okay with you posting the raw numbers, then why would they have an issue with you posting the box scores, notes, or game stories? Your posts are groundbreaking and extremely exciting if you can prove that they're true.


First of all, I don't post anything on here that I know to be false.
Second of all, it's not about the hesitancy of anyone on here declare what is true or not. It's the narcissistic negativity.
It's like I'm being irresponsible.
Third, as I've said before, the new breakthrough totals that I've blessed you with are NOT, I repeat, NOT, from any game story, except of course, for the Nov. 5, 1960 game. They are from another subscriber on this post who has direct access to the complete games and the data, who shall remain nameless. That's your responsibility to find out who it is.
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Post#258 » by mstat13shuh » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:33 am

Ambrose wrote:
mstat13shuh wrote:
Ambrose wrote:There is no way 50 blocks is accurate.


Well that's your opinion, but that doesn't mean you're more right than me.

Unless you can prove it's inaccurate, you can't prove me wrong anymore than I can prove you right.

All I know is, this was from the Boston American.

And even if there's no complete copy of the game, I'm pretty certain he had AT LEAST 40 blocks, if not more.


The onus is on you to prove it as you put it out there. The NBA record for rebounds in a game is 55. The recorded record for blocks is 17. The claim that Wilt had triple the recorded record and nearly as many blocks as the all time rebound record simply isn't believable.

The information you've provided in the thread is great. There's really only one claim people have balked at to my knowledge. Throwing a tantrum over it and taking it personal is the wrong way to go about it. You're doing great work. There is one claim that seems highly unlikely that people would need real evidence to believe. It's nothing personal.


You're interpreting me throwing a tantrum & bitching about something. I'm not. I'm simply expressing my dissatisfaction, dismay & disappointment with the doubts, as if I'm being irresponsible in my research, which I'm absolutely not.

Do I take the criticism personally? Hell yes I do, but only if I consider it to be unwarranted, which in this case I believe it is.

You refuse to believe Wilt blocked 50 shots in the Nov. 5, 1960 game, fine, that's between you and God.
Maybe he didn't after all. But that's what the Boston American reported in their game story.
Until further notice, that's my source.

And furthermore, there have been times earlier in this post where I said I was wrong about earlier Wilt shot-blocking estimates.
It was disappointing, for certain, but I am humble enough to do so whenever I feel it's necessary.

Ps: thanks for saying I do great work, I really do appreciate that.
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Post#259 » by mstat13shuh » Tue May 4, 2021 10:33 pm

A side note to those who have interpreted my reactions as complaining vs expression of dissatisfaction:

Some of you are probably aware of Wilt's former teammate & long-time friend Al Attles, explaining to people some of the feats he saw Wilt pull of, and many of them respond with something like "No way. Impossible." Yet he(Attles)still asserts that he saw him do it.

That's all I'm doing here with my responses, and it's all Wilt himself did during his life whenever he received criticism he deemed to be unjustified & unwarranted, which, based upon my own research, was FAR too often.

I'll probably continue posting new data here, now and in the future, but if the karma begins to develop too dismissively, then I'd MUCH rather take my talents & blessings elsewhere.


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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#260 » by mstat13shuh » Thu May 6, 2021 4:24 am

EXPONENTIALLY IMPORTANT UPDATE

BY TODAY'S ASSIST CRITERIA
WILT CHAMBERLAIN RECORDED 13 QUADRUPLE-DOUBLES HIS FINAL 1967-68 13 REGULAR SEASON GAMES
(as well as 15 of his final 16 games)


3/3/1968 Phi. 76ers at Boston 17pts 22reb 10ast 20blk
3/5/1968 Phi. 76ers vs San Diego 31pts 21reb 19ast 16blk
3/6/1968 Phi. 76ers at Cincinnati 22pts 19reb 16ast 17blk
3/7/1968 Phi. 76ers vs Cincinnati 38pts 28reb 10ast 12blk
3/8/1968 Phi. 76ers vs Boston 13pts 24reb 13ast 24blk
3/10/1968 Phi. 76ers at New York 28pts 27reb 13ast 11blk
3/12/1968 Phi. 76ers vs Chicago 22pts 30reb 15ast 10blk
3/13/1968 Phi. 76ers vs New York 16pts 20reb 13ast 14blk
3/15/1968 Phi. 76ers vs Baltimore 25pts 21reb 13ast 25blk
3/16/1968 Phi. 76ers at Chicago 35pts 15reb 13ast 15blk
3/18/1968 Phi. 76ers vs LA Lakers 53pts 32reb 18ast 24blk
3/19/1968 Phi. 76ers vs Cincinnati 22pts 27reb 24ast 14blk(OT)
3/20/1968 Phi. 76ers at Baltimore 26pts 17reb 15ast 18blk

Wilt March 1968 averages:

26.8 pts 23.4 reb 14.8 ast 16.9blk
76ers record: 10-3

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