The Lebron Thread (2016 - 17 Pt. 4)

[JordansBulls]

I think Lebron knows Kyrie has another leap left in him. But you have to get your real first taste of defeat first before you can unlock it. 2015 doesn't count for Kyrie cuz he got injured. This year he learned he needs to step up more if they wanna win again.

The guy in back to back finals averaged 27 ppg and 29 ppg as a 2nd option, how much more of a leap would you expect?

Defensive effort and understanding to trust teammates.

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He locked up Steph in 2016.

[PaulieWal]

The guy in back to back finals averaged 27 ppg and 29 ppg as a 2nd option, how much more of a leap would you expect?

Defensive effort and understanding to trust teammates.

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He locked up Steph in 2016.

No he didn't. Cavs played extremely good team defense on him by having Lebron shade him with JR and Shumpert being the primary defenders on him. But you already knew that....

[Colbinii]

The guy in back to back finals averaged 27 ppg and 29 ppg as a 2nd option, how much more of a leap would you expect?

Defensive effort and understanding to trust teammates.

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He locked up Steph in 2016.

I didn't see that. Was it at a halloween party?

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[Heej]

I think Lebron knows Kyrie has another leap left in him. But you have to get your real first taste of defeat first before you can unlock it. 2015 doesn't count for Kyrie cuz he got injured. This year he learned he needs to step up more if they wanna win again.

The guy in back to back finals averaged 27 ppg and 29 ppg as a 2nd option, how much more of a leap would you expect?

A leap completely unrelated to your rehearsed mental gymnastics routine

[datstockton]

Sensible people after watching this year's Finals: Cavs need to get younger, more athletic on the wings. Need some defense-minded guys.

Cavs offseason thus far: Sign Jose Calderon, re-sign Korver for 3 years (which I'm actually not that opposed to), linked to Melo and Z-Bo. Lol. This team is already showing signs of ineptitude without Griff.

[bmurph128]

Who knows what Cedi Osman will be in the NBA, but it looks like he's coming over. That's younger and athletic on the wings..

[WoogieBoo]

What's going on with Derrick Williams? I haven't seen anything about him..

On paper Derrick, Cedi and Shump should be those athletic wings, but realistically they just aren't good enough to be difference makers(Against GOAT level Warriors at least)..

[RCM88x]

What's going on with Derrick Williams? I haven't seen anything about him..

On paper Derrick, Cedi and Shump should be those athletic wings, but realistically they just aren't good enough to be difference makers(Against GOAT level Warriors at least)..

I think coaches just hate him. He'd be an above average rotation player if actually given the chance, and was part of one of the Cavs best lineup during the season.

[homecourtloss]

Defensive effort and understanding to trust teammates.

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He locked up Steph in 2016.

No he didn't. Cavs played extremely good team defense on him by having Lebron shade him with JR and Shumpert being the primary defenders on him. But you already knew that....

This. Not only that, TT switched out on to him and Curry shot worse against him than against Irving in 2016.

Also, Irving averaging "27 and 29 as a second option" as JB likes to say isn't really true--Kyrie's usage is just as high as James' so Kyrie is really a 1A option. With that much usage, 27 and 29 isn't that big of a deal when you look at his TS and ORating.

Kyrie mostly has to make an impact leap. Curry can not play very well but he's still making an impact by just being on the court first of all, then by getting timely rebounds, being a better playmaker, better rebounder, better defender than he's given credit for. Curry has been a top 3 impact player for four consecutive seasons. Kyrie hasn't even been top 30 in any season. There's the leap.

[homecourtloss]

The guy in back to back finals averaged 27 ppg and 29 ppg as a 2nd option, how much more of a leap would you expect?

Defensive effort and understanding to trust teammates.

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He locked up Steph in 2016.

Switch Curry and Irving and the Cavs win in 5. Curry is a universe above Irving as far as impact is concerned which I mentioned before the finals but you have your mental gymnastics down to a science.

[JordansBulls]

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[Dupp]

I really doubt it

[Colbinii]

I really doubt it

Me too, but it would not surprise me. LeBron is a family man and has many aspirations in life besides basketball. If he decides to hang it up after next year I would have no qualms with him.

As a basketball fan, however, I would like to see him keep going because of the sheer enjoyment I get from watching him night in, night out.

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[Dupp]

He's got another 50 years on this planet he might as well dominate for 5 more years.

[JordansBulls]

He's got another 50 years on this planet he might as well dominate for 5 more years.

Well 50 years is a long time more for him to live even if he is only 32 now. A lot of players have been gone in there 50's.

[Dupp]

He's got another 50 years on this planet he might as well dominate for 5 more years.

Well 50 years is a long time more for him to live even if he is only 32 now. A lot of players have been gone in there 50's.

Lebron won't be dead before 80.

[BasketballFan7]

What's going on with Derrick Williams? I haven't seen anything about him..

On paper Derrick, Cedi and Shump should be those athletic wings, but realistically they just aren't good enough to be difference makers(Against GOAT level Warriors at least)..

I think coaches just hate him. He'd be an above average rotation player if actually given the chance, and was part of one of the Cavs best lineup during the season.

With Jeff Green coming in, one must suppose that Williams is on the way out.

Doesn't make sense to me. Then again, things haven't made sense at all lately.

[homecourtloss]

What's going on with Derrick Williams? I haven't seen anything about him..

On paper Derrick, Cedi and Shump should be those athletic wings, but realistically they just aren't good enough to be difference makers(Against GOAT level Warriors at least)..

I think coaches just hate him. He'd be an above average rotation player if actually given the chance, and was part of one of the Cavs best lineup during the season.

With Jeff Green coming in, one must suppose that Williams is on the way out.

Doesn't make sense to me. Then again, things haven't made sense at all lately.

They're both the same player, really. Tweeners who cannot defend and don't shoot well. Williams looked really good when LeBron was on court and poor when James sat but still better than before.

[BasketballFan7]

I think coaches just hate him. He'd be an above average rotation player if actually given the chance, and was part of one of the Cavs best lineup during the season.

With Jeff Green coming in, one must suppose that Williams is on the way out.

Doesn't make sense to me. Then again, things haven't made sense at all lately.

They're both the same player, really. Tweeters who cannot defend and don't shoot well. Williams looked really good when LeBron was on court and poor when James sat but still better than before.

They definitely have similarities. Williams is younger and by all accounts similarly talented which is why I don't understand it.

[Dupp]

If we signs Crawford I'll be more disappointed than when Lebron left