How good is this team in '17, West?

[Roddy B for 3]

Larry Sanders/Desagana Diop/Matt Bonner
Sam Perkins/David Lee/Derrick Williams
Jamal Mashburn/Iman Shumpert
Kerry Kittles/Jason Terry
Steve Francis/Ty Lue/Cameron Payne

H.C. Rick Carlise

-Sam Perkins in his Seattle 3pt shooting days
-Iman Shupert in his pre ACL-tear Knick days
-Larry Sanders isn't crazy
Everyone else in random prime years


Extra question, what is their NBA offensive and defensive rankings (1-30)?
I say #11ish offense, #10ish defense, 6seed -the team has a HOF coach and is greatter than the sum of it's parts.

[JordansBulls]

Larry Sanders/Desagana Diop/Matt Bonner
Sam Perkins/David Lee/Derrick Williams
Jamal Mashburn/Iman Shumpert
Kerry Kittles/Jason Terry
Steve Francis/Ty Lue/Cameron Payne

H.C. Rick Carlise

-Sam Perkins in his Seattle 3pt shooting days
-Iman Shupert in his pre ACL-tear Knick days
-Larry Sanders isn't crazy
Everyone else in random prime years


Extra question, what is their NBA offensive and defensive rankings (1-30)?
I say #11ish offense, #10ish defense, 6seed -the team has a HOF coach and is greatter than the sum of it's parts.

Maybe a 45 win team.

[BdeRegt]

I think they don't sniff the playoffs. I don't think they are as good as Memphis for instance.

[pandrade83]

I don't see that as a playoff team. I'm not sure why they are better than Portland - especially post Nurkic. They have depth but who is your best player?

[dhsilv2]

That team can't score enough points to compete. I'm not sure what 35-40 wins gets you the west, but that might be too high.

[Roddy B for 3]

I don't see that as a playoff team. I'm not sure why they are better than Portland - especially post Nurkic. They have depth but who is your best player?

Idk why people don't think this team would score. Rick Carlise is the HC and it has 3 all-stars and a DPOY candidate, with a 6MOY and a couple other high profile role players.

[euroleague]

I don't see that as a playoff team. I'm not sure why they are better than Portland - especially post Nurkic. They have depth but who is your best player?

Idk why people don't think this team would score. Rick Carlise is the HC and it has 3 all-stars and a DPOY candidate, with a 6MOY and a couple other high profile role players.

you mean Francis/Mashburn? they got points, but with how many FGA? I remember their teams, and they really didn't exactly dominate on offense.

[Fadeaway_J]

Yeah Francis and Mashburn is a pretty inefficient 1-2 punch offensively. On the other hand that is some pretty good depth. I say they battle for one of the last couple of seeds on the strength of their bench and coaching, but nothing more than that really.

[pandrade83]

You said "random prime years"

Using random.org, I got:

'00 Francis - 18 ppg, 54% TS 4 TO, 7 Ast
'97 Masburn (Miami split) - 13 ppg, 51% TS/6 reb, 4 ast
'04 Kittles - 13 PPG, just 1.2 TO, 53% TS, 4reb, 3 ast
'01 Terry - 20 ppg, 5 apg, 3 TO, 53% TS
We'll pick Perkins' best Seattle year by WS - '95: 13 ppg, 5 rpg, 2 apg, 60% TS
'10 Lee - 20/12/4 - made All Star Team - 58% TS, bad D
'12 Shumpert coming off the bench - 10/3/3 - 48% TS
'13 Sanders - 10/10/3 blk pg

So I apply this to real world:

'13 Sanders
'10 Lee
'97 Mashburn
'00 Francis
'01 Terry

'95 Perkins
'04 Kittles
'12 Shumpert

Francis or Terry is in at all times manning the point.
2 of Perkins, Sanders & Lee are in at all times - this is literally your 3 best players and you can't play them all together.
Kittles (35 mpg), Shump take the remaining minutes.

Strengths:
-Depth gives me a high floor
-I rarely have lineups where you can "hide" a horrid defender - at least on the perimeter for sure.
-I have solid floor spacing

Weaknesses:
-Not great ball movement, so the floor spacing may not materialize into anything
-I can't play my 3 best players together; they need someone else to get them the ball & I have shoot first point guards.
-During the 20 mpg where Sanders is out, I have zero rim protection.
-David Lee is my best player.

That's not an awful team by any means.

I just don't know where a team with David Lee as my best player is going. I think my offense hovers around 9th-14th in efficiency & my defense is in the 15th-20th range.

I think that's a 35-45 win team that most likely finishes +/-2 games of .500 in the West. That's not going to get you in the Western playoffs.

[COSBY]

4 seed. There is more talent and depth than most teams in the NBA. Few coaches today are better than Carlisle.