Which centers from the last 10 years would u take over 2017 Jokic?

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Which centers from the last 10 years would u take over 2017 Jokic? 

Post#1 » by GSP » Wed Aug 9, 2017 3:48 am

Title.....which Cs would you take over 2017 Jokic from the last decade?
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Post#2 » by CometGM » Wed Aug 9, 2017 4:56 am

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Post#3 » by clyde21 » Wed Aug 9, 2017 5:30 am

DeMarcus Cousins.

'17 Gobert (maybe).

2007-2012 Tim Duncan.
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Post#4 » by Prez » Wed Aug 9, 2017 6:03 am

CometGM wrote:Towns.

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Jokic was definitely better this year.
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Post#5 » by clyde21 » Wed Aug 9, 2017 6:23 am

'17 Marc Gasol is pretty underrated too. 20/6/5 with 1.5bpg and almost 39% from 3. I'd tentatively take him as well.
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Post#6 » by KobesScarf » Wed Aug 9, 2017 6:29 am

08 09 10 13 Duncan
12 KG
11 and 12 Chandler
12 Bynum
14 Noah
09 Shaq
and any time M.Gasol, Amare, Yao, or Dwight were healthy
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CometGM wrote:Towns.

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Jokic was definitely better this year.

How so?

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Post#8 » by Prez » Wed Aug 9, 2017 6:45 am

List of centers at any age to put up Jokic’s PER, BPM, WS/48 this season (26.3, 8.4, .228) or better: Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, D-Rob. And that’s counting Jokic’s entire season, even the games before Denver committed to him as the full-time starter. In the 51 games since he became the main guy, his numbers are historic. #6 in overall RPM, #7 in overall RAPM, Denver had literally the best offense in the league since he was locked in as the starter.

Reputation, status, legacy aside he's up there with basically any C in the last 10 years. His impact is just next level.
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Post#9 » by Winsome Gerbil » Wed Aug 9, 2017 9:22 am

Cousins '14, '15, '16, '17
Towns '17
Gasol '13 + maybe '15, '17
Howard '07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '12
Duncan '07, '08, '09, '10, '13
Yao '07, '08, probably '09

maybe '17 Gobert. Dunno. Consider that an apples and oranges tossup of players smothered in current hype. I need to see more before calling it.

Not buying the Noah, Jordan, Chandler etc. stuff as more impactful.
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Post#10 » by CometGM » Wed Aug 9, 2017 12:48 pm

Prez wrote:List of centers at any age to put up Jokic’s PER, BPM, WS/48 this season (26.3, 8.4, .228) or better: Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, D-Rob. And that’s counting Jokic’s entire season, even the games before Denver committed to him as the full-time starter. In the 51 games since he became the main guy, his numbers are historic. #6 in overall RPM, #7 in overall RAPM, Denver had literally the best offense in the league since he was locked in as the starter.

Reputation, status, legacy aside he's up there with basically any C in the last 10 years. His impact is just next level.


You said "Jokic was definitely better this year." Is this your answer to how he was better than Towns this year?
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Post#11 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Aug 9, 2017 2:02 pm

Quite a few? '12-13 and '14-15 Marc Gasol. Dwight Howard (2007 to 2012). '07-10 Duncan, '09 Yao. '15-17 DeAndre Jordan, and '17 Gobert. That's at least 6 total. Hard for me to put him ahead of '12-14 Noah and '17 Towns because of the minutes discrepancy, but I'll put him right in that category if not slightly above those two guys.

His impact numbers and per-minute stats stack up with any of those guys, but the amount that you actually produce on the floor matters, and until he dispels some of the conditioning and durability concerns, I can't put him any higher. Still in pretty damn good company.
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Post#12 » by Lou Fan » Wed Aug 9, 2017 7:07 pm

Howard
Yao
Gasol
Towns
Jordan
Garnett
Duncan
Cousins
Gobert
Noah
Hibbert
09 Shaq?
Anyone I'm forgetting?
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Post#13 » by Prez » Wed Aug 9, 2017 7:25 pm

CometGM wrote:
Prez wrote:List of centers at any age to put up Jokic’s PER, BPM, WS/48 this season (26.3, 8.4, .228) or better: Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, D-Rob. And that’s counting Jokic’s entire season, even the games before Denver committed to him as the full-time starter. In the 51 games since he became the main guy, his numbers are historic. #6 in overall RPM, #7 in overall RAPM, Denver had literally the best offense in the league since he was locked in as the starter.

Reputation, status, legacy aside he's up there with basically any C in the last 10 years. His impact is just next level.


You said "Jokic was definitely better this year." Is this your answer to how he was better than Towns this year?

Not directly, but it applies vs Towns too. Jokic was just a clearly more impactful player this past year than Towns.
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Post#14 » by pelifan » Wed Aug 9, 2017 7:34 pm

Prez wrote:List of centers at any age to put up Jokic’s PER, BPM, WS/48 this season (26.3, 8.4, .228) or better: Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, D-Rob. And that’s counting Jokic’s entire season, even the games before Denver committed to him as the full-time starter. In the 51 games since he became the main guy, his numbers are historic. #6 in overall RPM, #7 in overall RAPM, Denver had literally the best offense in the league since he was locked in as the starter.

Reputation, status, legacy aside he's up there with basically any C in the last 10 years. His impact is just next level.


In limited games and minutes. Advanced stats aren't everything. People were going crazy over Davis in 2015. I really doubt Jokic can sustain that when given larger minutes over multiple seasons.
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Post#15 » by Prez » Wed Aug 9, 2017 7:38 pm

pelifan wrote:
Prez wrote:List of centers at any age to put up Jokic’s PER, BPM, WS/48 this season (26.3, 8.4, .228) or better: Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, D-Rob. And that’s counting Jokic’s entire season, even the games before Denver committed to him as the full-time starter. In the 51 games since he became the main guy, his numbers are historic. #6 in overall RPM, #7 in overall RAPM, Denver had literally the best offense in the league since he was locked in as the starter.

Reputation, status, legacy aside he's up there with basically any C in the last 10 years. His impact is just next level.


In limited games and minutes. Advanced stats aren't everything. People were going crazy over Davis in 2015. I really doubt Jokic can sustain that when given larger minutes over multiple seasons.

The guy played 73 games and averaged 28 mpg this year, 51 games at 30 mpg since they locked him in as starter. We're not talking about a month sample size at 15 mpg or something. His efficiency may drop just a bit with an increase to say 33-35 mpg, but the impact is always going to be there.
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Post#16 » by clyde21 » Wed Aug 9, 2017 7:45 pm

Prez wrote:
pelifan wrote:
Prez wrote:List of centers at any age to put up Jokic’s PER, BPM, WS/48 this season (26.3, 8.4, .228) or better: Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, D-Rob. And that’s counting Jokic’s entire season, even the games before Denver committed to him as the full-time starter. In the 51 games since he became the main guy, his numbers are historic. #6 in overall RPM, #7 in overall RAPM, Denver had literally the best offense in the league since he was locked in as the starter.

Reputation, status, legacy aside he's up there with basically any C in the last 10 years. His impact is just next level.


In limited games and minutes. Advanced stats aren't everything. People were going crazy over Davis in 2015. I really doubt Jokic can sustain that when given larger minutes over multiple seasons.

The guy played 73 games and averaged 28 mpg this year, 51 games at 30 mpg since they locked him in as starter. We're not talking about a month sample size at 15 mpg or something. His efficiency may drop just a bit with an increase to say 33-35 mpg, but the impact is always going to be there.


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Post#17 » by BdeRegt » Wed Aug 9, 2017 7:51 pm

I feel like OPs argument is for the future more than 17 Jokic. It doesn't matter the age of player if not considering future seasons. I'd take a lot of centers over Jokic. Jokic wasn't even best center in 2017.

Some I'd take:
Duncan
Dwight
Both gasols
Draymond
DeAndre
Noah
Chandler
Cousins
Amare
Horford

I'm sure there are more. If Jokic learns to play defense a little and continues to progress, I expect this list to shrink.
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Post#18 » by pelifan » Wed Aug 9, 2017 7:51 pm

Prez wrote:
pelifan wrote:
Prez wrote:List of centers at any age to put up Jokic’s PER, BPM, WS/48 this season (26.3, 8.4, .228) or better: Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, D-Rob. And that’s counting Jokic’s entire season, even the games before Denver committed to him as the full-time starter. In the 51 games since he became the main guy, his numbers are historic. #6 in overall RPM, #7 in overall RAPM, Denver had literally the best offense in the league since he was locked in as the starter.

Reputation, status, legacy aside he's up there with basically any C in the last 10 years. His impact is just next level.


In limited games and minutes. Advanced stats aren't everything. People were going crazy over Davis in 2015. I really doubt Jokic can sustain that when given larger minutes over multiple seasons.

The guy played 73 games and averaged 28 mpg this year, 51 games at 30 mpg since they locked him in as starter. We're not talking about a month sample size at 15 mpg or something. His efficiency may drop just a bit with an increase to say 33-35 mpg, but the impact is always going to be there.


Like I said Davis had a year long run. And his team actually made the playoffs with a worse supporting cast. His advanced impact later fell off. Denver also got healthy right around the time Jokic became a starter. TMAC had one season for whatever reason. So yea I'd tentatively pump the breaks on Jokic. The NBA has really never seen another player like him so we have to see how defenses adjust to him first.

Except maybe a knockoff version in old Sabonis.
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Post#19 » by Prez » Wed Aug 9, 2017 8:03 pm

pelifan wrote:
Prez wrote:
pelifan wrote:
In limited games and minutes. Advanced stats aren't everything. People were going crazy over Davis in 2015. I really doubt Jokic can sustain that when given larger minutes over multiple seasons.

The guy played 73 games and averaged 28 mpg this year, 51 games at 30 mpg since they locked him in as starter. We're not talking about a month sample size at 15 mpg or something. His efficiency may drop just a bit with an increase to say 33-35 mpg, but the impact is always going to be there.


Like I said Davis had a year long run. And his team actually made the playoffs with a worse supporting cast. His advanced impact later fell off. Denver also got healthy right around the time Jokic became a starter. TMAC had one season for whatever reason. So yea I'd tentatively pump the breaks on Jokic. The NBA has really never seen another player like him so we have to see how defenses adjust to him first.

Except maybe a knockoff version in old Sabonis.

I'm not seeing your point, Davis' numbers falling off or the Pelicans struggling in following years doesn't change how good 2015 Davis was. Even if the Nuggets disappoint next year or if Jokic has a disappointing year, it doesn't change that 2017 Jokic was an absolute monster this year. The point about defenses adjusting is fair I guess, but not to the extent where I'm gonna ignore the mountain of evidence pointing to Jokic being amazing this year.
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Post#20 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Aug 9, 2017 8:22 pm

Oh yeah, forgot that '07-'08 Amare was still a C in PHX's system. Definitely put him above Jokic as well.

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