04 KG vs 17 KD

[feyki]

Which player was better?

[mischievous]

I don't see an argument for Kd.

[RCM88x]

KG not even close.

[Ron Swanson]

It's impossible to separate KD's individual statistics with how much of an impact it actually had on the Warriors winning. KG quite literally did everything for his team and performed at an elite level in both the RS and postseason, all while bearing the entire brunt of opposing teams' game plans.

KG

[JordansBulls]

KD did win the title while KG lost with HCA.

[Drylick]

KD did win the title while KG lost with HCA.

Huh? Put 2004 KG on this year's GSW and KG would just coast.

[Xherdan 23]

KD did win the title while KG lost with HCA.

This is great analysis. We know both players were in the same exact situation.
The '03 T-Wolves broke the record for RS wins without KG, right?

Cassell = Curry
Olowokandi/ Ervin Johnson = Green
Spreewell >>> Klay - Spree played in the '90s so he's obviously a better player
Trenton Hassell is at least as good as Iggy

This is really embarrassing for KG that his team didn't go 16-1 in the playoffs, KD is obviously a much better player!

[andrewww]

It's impossible to separate KD's individual statistics with how much of an impact it actually had on the Warriors winning. KG quite literally did everything for his team and performed at an elite level in both the RS and postseason, all while bearing the entire brunt of opposing teams' game plans.

KG

KG did a lot for the TWolves but everyone is underrating Cassell and Sprewell's contributions. Lots of typically ignorant comments in this thread lol.

KD wasn't asked to carry the load, but that in and of itself doesn't necessarily make him superior or inferior to KG. The team circumstances were different.

[Ron Swanson]

It's impossible to separate KD's individual statistics with how much of an impact it actually had on the Warriors winning. KG quite literally did everything for his team and performed at an elite level in both the RS and postseason, all while bearing the entire brunt of opposing teams' game plans.

KG

KG did a lot for the TWolves but everyone is underrating Cassell and Sprewell's contributions. Lots of typically ignorant comments in this thread lol.

KD wasn't asked to carry the load, but that in and of itself doesn't necessarily make him superior or inferior to KG. The team circumstances were different.

The all-time great talent surrounding KD makes specifically his '16-17 metrics (especially the efficiency and "impact" metrics) nearly impossible to properly contextualize more so than any other superstar vs. superstar comparison in NBA history. That's not an "ignorant" comment. It's acknowledging reality.

[andrewww]

It's impossible to separate KD's individual statistics with how much of an impact it actually had on the Warriors winning. KG quite literally did everything for his team and performed at an elite level in both the RS and postseason, all while bearing the entire brunt of opposing teams' game plans.

KG

KG did a lot for the TWolves but everyone is underrating Cassell and Sprewell's contributions. Lots of typically ignorant comments in this thread lol.

KD wasn't asked to carry the load, but that in and of itself doesn't necessarily make him superior or inferior to KG. The team circumstances were different.

The all-time great talent surrounding KD makes specifically his '16-17 metrics (especially the efficiency and "impact" metrics) nearly impossible to properly contextualize more so than any other superstar vs. superstar comparison in NBA history. That's not an "ignorant" comment. It's acknowledging reality.

You hit the nail on the head when you said its difficult to provide proper context. In other words, the jury is still out, hence how can people say definitely that "KG was hands down better in 04 than KD in 17"?

[feyki]

04 KG is arguably top 15, peak wise, to me. But KD already had amazing offensive impact. And he has had, also great defence this year, with focusing on rim protection. And his efficiency also improved with the Warriors system. KD was top 30, peak wise. But with those developments, he has a good case, for top 15 peak.

[mischievous]

I miss Quotatious lol.

[JordansBulls]

KD did win the title while KG lost with HCA.

This is great analysis. We know both players were in the same exact situation.
The '03 T-Wolves broke the record for RS wins without KG, right?

Cassell = Curry
Olowokandi/ Ervin Johnson = Green
Spreewell >>> Klay - Spree played in the '90s so he's obviously a better player
Trenton Hassell is at least as good as Iggy

This is really embarrassing for KG that his team didn't go 16-1 in the playoffs, KD is obviously a much better player!

The difference is KG was hogging up the salary cap of the team while Durant was willing to sacrifice money for the team.

[Xherdan 23]

KD did win the title while KG lost with HCA.

This is great analysis. We know both players were in the same exact situation.
The '03 T-Wolves broke the record for RS wins without KG, right?

Cassell = Curry
Olowokandi/ Ervin Johnson = Green
Spreewell >>> Klay - Spree played in the '90s so he's obviously a better player
Trenton Hassell is at least as good as Iggy

This is really embarrassing for KG that his team didn't go 16-1 in the playoffs, KD is obviously a much better player!

The difference is KG was hogging up the salary cap of the team while Durant was willing to sacrifice money for the team.

This has nothing to do with what you wrote before about losing with HCA and it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread about who's the better player.
What are you even talking about here?

[wutevahung]

This is great analysis. We know both players were in the same exact situation.
The '03 T-Wolves broke the record for RS wins without KG, right?

Cassell = Curry
Olowokandi/ Ervin Johnson = Green
Spreewell >>> Klay - Spree played in the '90s so he's obviously a better player
Trenton Hassell is at least as good as Iggy

This is really embarrassing for KG that his team didn't go 16-1 in the playoffs, KD is obviously a much better player!

The difference is KG was hogging up the salary cap of the team while Durant was willing to sacrifice money for the team.

This has nothing to do with what you wrote before about losing with HCA and it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread about who's the better player.
What are you even talking about here?

he is saying that Tim Duncan is the greatest player ever, since he carried a team that hasn't won before to a title, and Duncan was really cheap since he was still on rookie deal, cheaper than any other players who have ever carried a team that hasn't won to a title.

Also that 99' Duncan was better than 03 Duncan, since 03 Duncan got paid more, and only won a title with a team that won title prior to that.

[rebirthoftheM]

04 KG is horribly overrated. His entire peak is celeberated because of his RS campaign (and mostly because of +/- stuff). Meanwhile his PS performance was certainly nothing special on an all-time level. His scoring woes, despite his fans trying to get away from it, put him on a much lower pedestal.

17 KD to me in a vacuum is a better player because of playoff resilliency. But given their team context, Ill go with KG.

[HeartBreakKid]

04 KG is horribly overrated. His entire peak is celeberated because of his RS campaign (and mostly because of +/- stuff). Meanwhile his PS performance was certainly nothing special on an all-time level. His scoring woes, despite his fans trying to get away from it, put him on a much lower pedestal.

17 KD to me in a vacuum is a better player because of playoff resilliency. But given their team context, Ill go with KG.

16 KD is the same player as 17 KD and he was pretty bad in the playoffs.

[rebirthoftheM]

04 KG is horribly overrated. His entire peak is celeberated because of his RS campaign (and mostly because of +/- stuff). Meanwhile his PS performance was certainly nothing special on an all-time level. His scoring woes, despite his fans trying to get away from it, put him on a much lower pedestal.

17 KD to me in a vacuum is a better player because of playoff resilliency. But given their team context, Ill go with KG.

16 KD is the same player as 17 KD and he was pretty bad in the playoffs.

Eh... we should never conflate different PS runs. 16 Durant was so-so on O, but 14 Durant was much better. 03 KG did well against the Lakers on O (note: a not very good defensive team) but his 04 performances left a lot to be desired.

KG's scoring as a #1 for various reasons, rarely ever held up in the PS. And if we focus on 04 specifically, It's not he was playing some elite/top notch defenses to see such significant declines (and yeah every superstar gets doubled in the PS- nothing special). The Lakers were pretty good but that was about it.

If you're taking 21 shots a game, and eating up a ton of possessions, I need more than 24 points a game from you. In fact, I need better offense from you full stop. That level of scoring inefficiency in a supposed GOAT like peak season should discredit its status. This is why KG's fans here have gone to great lengths to ignore scoring efficiency altogether, particularly in the PS, and also make excuses for that PS run of his.

KD's PS performance this year was better than KG's. However I still chose 04 KG over him because of differing team contexts (KG was the best player on his team/team revolved around him/Cassell Injury- Durant was never that this year outside of small stretches).

[GSP]

04 KG is horribly overrated. His entire peak is celeberated because of his RS campaign (and mostly because of +/- stuff). Meanwhile his PS performance was certainly nothing special on an all-time level. His scoring woes, despite his fans trying to get away from it, put him on a much lower pedestal.

17 KD to me in a vacuum is a better player because of playoff resilliency. But given their team context, Ill go with KG.

16 KD is the same player as 17 KD and he was pretty bad in the playoffs.

Against Dallas he was pretty bad but he was historically great defensively VS Spurs and Warriors (was the best defensive player in the Warriors series). He still had 30/7/3 on 57ts in May against two of the top Srs teams ever and a near Goat level defense in Spurs and a great one in Warriors too

[HeartBreakKid]

04 KG is horribly overrated. His entire peak is celeberated because of his RS campaign (and mostly because of +/- stuff). Meanwhile his PS performance was certainly nothing special on an all-time level. His scoring woes, despite his fans trying to get away from it, put him on a much lower pedestal.

17 KD to me in a vacuum is a better player because of playoff resilliency. But given their team context, Ill go with KG.

16 KD is the same player as 17 KD and he was pretty bad in the playoffs.

Against Dallas he was pretty bad but he was historically great defensively VS Spurs and Warriors (was the best defensive player in the Warriors series). He still had 30/7/3 on 57ts in May against two of the top Srs teams ever and a near Goat level defense in Spurs and a great one in Warriors too

By those standards then Kevin Garnett was great in the playoffs too, it's not like KG's defense is ever a concern in the post season.

30 points with 3 assist and nearly 4 turnovers is nothing to really brag about, especially only on decent efficiency.

I mean Durant put up 54 TS% vs Garnett putting up 51 TS% in 2004 (a less efficient era). Considering Durant's strong points are scoring, if one is going to slam Garnett's post season run then we should slam Durant's, unless we think Durant became superman this past post season I think its quite obvious he shot 70 TS% this season because he had the most stacked team of all time.