Booker or Kaminsky

[SmartWentCrazy]

Who would you rather have for this season alone? Who would you rather have going forward? Personally, I think this question is ridiculous, but a poster on our forum keeps debating elsewise.

Please help settle this debate.

[bondom34]

Edited...
Voted Frank but would probably switch, didn't realize how down his numbers were last year. Probably Booker. 1 vote for Frank is me before checking his numbers, thought he was better last year.

Edit 2: Poll was reset, so my vote was Booker.

[BlackIce]

I'm not sure Kaminsky is better then Trevor Booker, let alone Devin Booker.

[HoopsMalone]

If anyone can provide reasoning as to how Devin Booker was more valuable than Frank Kaminsky LAST YEAR, I am all ears. That is an incredibly difficult, if not impossible, claim to substantiate. The gap was seemingly quite large last season.

I will acknowledge that this upcoming season is up for debate as Frank has looked quite bad in preseason. I still find it very unlikely that Booker will surpass him this season.

Long term is anyone's guess, I'm not all that interested in having an in-depth conversation about who will be better five years from now as I think that conversation might detract from the initial premise that Frank was more valuable than Booker LAST SEASON.

Once we have established Frank's position of superiority last year, perhaps we can move to a "who has more future potential" discussion. Again, I believe it is Frank...though I won't rule out the possibility completely that Booker develops into a very good player.

[Baller1234a]

If anyone can provide reasoning as to how Devin Booker was more valuable than Frank Kaminsky LAST YEAR, I am all ears. That is an incredibly difficult, if not impossible, claim to substantiate. The gap was seemingly quite large last season.

I will acknowledge that this upcoming season is up for debate as Frank has looked quite bad in preseason. I still find it very unlikely that Booker will surpass him this season.

Long term is anyone's guess, I'm not all that interested in having an in-depth conversation about who will be better five years from now as I think that conversation might detract from the initial premise that Frank was more valuable than Booker LAST SEASON.

Once we have established Frank's position of superiority last year, perhaps we can move to a "who has more future potential" discussion. Again, I believe it is Frank...though I won't rule out the possibility completely that Booker develops into a very good player.

No advantage for Frank lol
https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=1626164&VsPlayerID=1626163&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36
Look at that FG percentage lol

[amcoolio]

I'm not sure if Booker will ever contribute to a winning team. Frank has a long way to go but his passing/defense is respectable and when he doesn't hesitate and just shoots he can be a great shooter from 3. I don't know how you can compare the two players anyway they are completely different. Booker now, but Frank has a chance to catch him in the future

[31to6]

well one of those guys lit my team up for SEVENTY POINTS and the other looks like he sucks, so this isn't hard for me.

Hoops Malone, here's your chance! Why don't you lay out all your advanced stats that 'indisputably' show that Frank was better LAST YeAR?

[Darth Celtic]

If anyone can provide reasoning as to how Devin Booker was more valuable than Frank Kaminsky LAST YEAR, I am all ears. That is an incredibly difficult, if not impossible, claim to substantiate. The gap was seemingly quite large last season.

I will acknowledge that this upcoming season is up for debate as Frank has looked quite bad in preseason. I still find it very unlikely that Booker will surpass him this season.

Long term is anyone's guess, I'm not all that interested in having an in-depth conversation about who will be better five years from now as I think that conversation might detract from the initial premise that Frank was more valuable than Booker LAST SEASON.

Once we have established Frank's position of superiority last year, perhaps we can move to a "who has more future potential" discussion. Again, I believe it is Frank...though I won't rule out the possibility completely that Booker develops into a very good player.

18 to your 1. Are you ready to stop quardrupling down on a dumb statement?

[The-Power]

I'm not sure if Booker will ever contribute to a winning team.

Why wouldn't he? Seems like a random claim with no substantiation about a second-year player – the youngest of his class at that – who happened to be drafted by a bad team. Without any reasoning this comment reads rather funny.

[eminence]

For one season only I'll take Frank, he looks moderately comfortable as a backup big where he could be useful (emphasis on could). Zero doubt Booker is still negative value next season, though going forward Booker is obviously light years ahead as a prospect.

Neither will be major players on winning teams any time soon.

[The-Power]

Zero doubt Booker is still negative value next season

I wouldn't be so sure about that. He's been developing nicely as of late.

[Dr Positivity]

I mean Booker may be overrated, but he's not "Taking Kaminsky over him" overrated

[HornetJail]

Devin Booker now and in the future. I don't see how this is even sort of a debate. Frank looks decent but he has A LOT to prove. I don't think Booker is a 1st option right now, but he's more than whatever the hell Frank is right now. Booker gets far too much hate for his subpar defense and lack of elite efficiency. I'm not sure what you guys expect out of a 20-year-old, and Frank isn't any better in those areas at age 24.

[penbeast0]

I'm not sure Kaminsky is better then Trevor Booker, let alone Devin Booker.

Admit I opened the thread thinking it WAS Kaminsky v. Trevor Booker.

[HoopsMalone]

I guess we'll have to wait for the season to find out but I'd be shocked if Booker is better than Frank this year. Frank should really be coming into his own this year if not outright peaking within the next two years.

[Dr Spaceman]

I'm not sure if Booker will ever contribute to a winning team.

Why wouldn't he? Seems like a random claim with no substantiation about a second-year player – the youngest of his class at that – who happened to be drafted by a bad team. Without any reasoning this comment reads rather funny.

Well I wouldn’t put it in those particular terms, because I think he could be a decent bench player, but I don’t think the guy has all that much potential either. He’s Rail skinny, he’s atrocious in the paint, he’s completely lacking in any defensive ability, and seems to only really be good at creating long twos and sometimes threes off the dribble.

But the most damning thing is he doesn’t have good basketball instincts. He doesn’t read the floor well, bad shot selection, and has awful tunnel vision on PNR despite having some good finishers on the team.

He reminds me a lot of Brandon Jennings. That’s obviously not a compliment. I think best case he could be Jamal Crawford unless he totally changes his approach to the game.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

I'm not sure if Booker will ever contribute to a winning team.

Why wouldn't he? Seems like a random claim with no substantiation about a second-year player – the youngest of his class at that – who happened to be drafted by a bad team. Without any reasoning this comment reads rather funny.

Well I wouldn’t put it in those particular terms, because I think he could be a decent bench player, but I don’t think the guy has all that much potential either. He’s Rail skinny, he’s atrocious in the paint, he’s completely lacking in any defensive ability, and seems to only really be good at creating long twos and sometimes threes off the dribble.

But the most damning thing is he doesn’t have good basketball instincts. He doesn’t read the floor well, bad shot selection, and has awful tunnel vision on PNR despite having some good finishers on the team.

He reminds me a lot of Brandon Jennings. That’s obviously not a compliment. I think best case he could be Jamal Crawford unless he totally changes his approach to the game.

Just looking at things from the offensive side of the ball, I think most of what you said is overstated. For one thing, early on, Jennings definitely had a lot of potential. At the very least, all star potential, but it seemed to be a little bit above that even. His problem was that he didn’t improve; year to year, he came back the same exact player, with no new moves, with no new insight on the game, with no new leadership qualities. His court vision never seemed to improve, his shot selection neither. That’s an individual case that doesn’t really project to Booker.

Best case scenario he’s Jamal Crawford in what way ? Now, I don’t see that as an insult, but I don’t think it’s accurate either. He’s already better than Crawford was early on; gets to the FT line more than we’ve ever seen from Crawford, and searches out shots from the mid-range better than Crawford did as well. We’re talking about a 20 year old kid really at this point, that just had an outstanding season(despite middling/slightly below average efficiency).

A good comparison for him, in my eyes, is a young Klay Thompson. Similar output offensively, with Booker coming out ahead, if only due to a bigger role. Stylistically, they’re different but I think offensively, a similar trojection would be Klay, if he weren’t playing with Curry — so more shots, higher volume. Defensively, Klay will likely always be better, but there are a number of perimeter superstars that weren’t good defensively early on, and then turned into great players on that end.

I don’t think this is much of a comparison honestly. Kaminsky hasn’t looked at all impressive, on either end of the ball from what I’ve seen. Clearly Booker is better now, and also has more upside. Even if one was to downplay Booker’s upside, he could be averaging 25/4/4 good efficiency as soon as next year, while Frank’s projection is looking more like a solid stretch-big.

[bondom34]

I posted first without looking and had memories of Frank looking solid his rookie year with Booker's advanced numbers being pretty poor. Second year, Booker improved and Kaminsky stagnated. Given age I don't know why Booker wouldn't be better, and I'm not seeing Crawford/Jennings type play (or Klay, I think there's a middle ground). I could see a souped up Lou Williams type career and I mean that in a good way.

[RCM88x]

If anyone can provide reasoning as to how Devin Booker was more valuable than Frank Kaminsky LAST YEAR, I am all ears. That is an incredibly difficult, if not impossible, claim to substantiate. The gap was seemingly quite large last season.

I will acknowledge that this upcoming season is up for debate as Frank has looked quite bad in preseason. I still find it very unlikely that Booker will surpass him this season.

Long term is anyone's guess, I'm not all that interested in having an in-depth conversation about who will be better five years from now as I think that conversation might detract from the initial premise that Frank was more valuable than Booker LAST SEASON.

Once we have established Frank's position of superiority last year, perhaps we can move to a "who has more future potential" discussion. Again, I believe it is Frank...though I won't rule out the possibility completely that Booker develops into a very good player.

No advantage for Frank lol
https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=1626164&VsPlayerID=1626163&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36
Look at that FG percentage lol

Box scores are meaningless.

Try this instead: https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1626164&VsPlayerID=1626163&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36

[HoopsMalone]

It's important to note that Frank was not healthy to start the season and screwed up the AC joint in his shoulder at the end of the year.

He had a stretch last season where he was The God of Wine, but over the course of his season stats it gets pretty drowned out.

Booker is a marginal prospect. Frank doesn't have elite upside, but he's certainly got top 50-75 potential. And he seems pretty likely to get there in my opinion.