Does Stephen Curry have a chance at becoming the GOAT PG?

[Soulcatcher33]

[ThaRegul8r]

It'll depend on whose having the conversation.

Curry's playing right now in the modern day against present-day athletes, technological advancements, etc., and the Warriors are expected to win for the foreseeable future, so 10-20 years from now, the people watching him now will likely say so, barring, of course, the unforeseen and unpredictable.

Though it'll depend on how much shine Durant takes him from, since you had people talking about Durant as perhaps the best player in the world. People who like awards will point out that Durant won FMVP the first year he came, and that Curry didn't for either of the Warriors' first two of however many titles they're going to win, so 10 years from now people will be using that as ammo against him for however high people will be ranking him then.

[oaktownwarriors87]

He'll be the 2nd greatest PG ever. Don't see him passing Magic but he'll pass everyone else.

Magic has a size advantage, but Magic always played next to a small PG/SG. Unless they're playing 1v1 or if Magic is playing next to a real SG than that size advantage means nothing.

Curry is clearly the better scorer and he has a far greater impact on his team ability to win. I'll take peak Curry all day.

As long as Curry can play at a high level for the next 4 years he will have had a better career.

[J_T]

Westbrook isnt close and magic retired early 30s so certainly curry can match him in longevity.

Westbrook and Curry are neck and neck by virtually every measure. Magic(West and Oscar too) has you double digit elite seasons Curry(and Westbrook) has 3

Currys last 3 seasons are on a comoletely other level to westbrook unless you are lost in the glow if the triple double fairy.

Unfortunately the stat padding monstrosity aka RW's 2016/17 triple double season is too hard for some people to at least take with a grain of salt, if not disregard completely.

[ardee]

Westbrook isnt close and magic retired early 30s so certainly curry can match him in longevity.

Westbrook and Curry are neck and neck by virtually every measure. Magic(West and Oscar too) has you double digit elite seasons Curry(and Westbrook) has 3

Currys last 3 seasons are on a comoletely other level to westbrook unless you are lost in the glow if the triple double fairy.

What a joke. You can say Curry is better (I go Westbrook) but to go that extreme is just dumb.

And yeah, believe it or not, a player who can score, rebound and create at a super elite level is going to be very very very very good.

[dhsilv2]

Westbrook and Curry are neck and neck by virtually every measure. Magic(West and Oscar too) has you double digit elite seasons Curry(and Westbrook) has 3

Currys last 3 seasons are on a comoletely other level to westbrook unless you are lost in the glow if the triple double fairy.

What a joke. You can say Curry is better (I go Westbrook) but to go that extreme is just dumb.

And yeah, believe it or not, a player who can score, rebound and create at a super elite level is going to be very very very very good.

You have an avatar of wilt...of course you think westbrook has a case.

Jokes aside. You can't seriously think Westbrook is on Curry's level. This again isn't a close comparison career vs career. Curry is a better defender, better scorer, and only marginally behind westbrook as a rebounder or play maker. And then there is their off ball gravity, intangables, leadership. All grossly favor curry.

[Pg81]

Not for me. He will be the GOAT shooter for sure though.

[KobesScarf]

Westbrook isnt close and magic retired early 30s so certainly curry can match him in longevity.

Westbrook and Curry are neck and neck by virtually every measure. Magic(West and Oscar too) has you double digit elite seasons Curry(and Westbrook) has 3

Currys last 3 seasons are on a comoletely other level to westbrook unless you are lost in the glow if the triple double fairy.

No Westbrook and Curry have been neck and neck the last 3 years

[dhsilv2]

Westbrook and Curry are neck and neck by virtually every measure. Magic(West and Oscar too) has you double digit elite seasons Curry(and Westbrook) has 3

Currys last 3 seasons are on a comoletely other level to westbrook unless you are lost in the glow if the triple double fairy.

No Westbrook and Curry have been neck and neck the last 3 years

I guess everyone can have an opinion...even crazy ones.

[UDRIH14]

ppl will look at him, offensively his a goat player, but defensively how would u put? below avg? he doesnt even guard the other teams elite pgs...my take has always been, whats the point of scoring ur seasonal/high avgs when ur opponent at ur position also scores their own avgs in a win/loss game? at least make them score below their avgs...

[Laimbeer]

Durant going there really hurts his potential GOAT ranking. He's seen as part of an ensemble with equals rather than the guy.

Magic and Oscar played with Kareem. Magic also had an armada of talent with him. They just have to keep winning and he has to be around long enough for the story to stick. Same with virtually every star.

Magic won four of the five titles when Kareem was 34+ and was pretty clearly the guys on those teams, hence credit for four titles as the guy. Oscar was past it when Kareem carried that team to a title, so really none as the man. That 4-0 is a big part of the reason Magic is rated higher than Oscar by most.

With the current Warriors it's very muddied now between Curry and Durant.

[cpower]

Durant going there really hurts his potential GOAT ranking. He's seen as part of an ensemble with equals rather than the guy.

Magic and Oscar played with Kareem. Magic also had an armada of talent with him. They just have to keep winning and he has to be around long enough for the story to stick. Same with virtually every star.

Magic won four of the five titles when Kareem was 34+ and was pretty clearly the guys on those teams, hence credit for four titles as the guy. Oscar was past it when Kareem carried that team to a title, so really none as the man. That 4-0 is a big part of the reason Magic is rated higher than Oscar by most.

With the current Warriors it's very muddied now between Curry and Durant.

a 34+ Kareem is still way better than Klay Thompson in 2015 and Magic did not have to go against a GOAT in Lebron James. So in that regards, Curry also achieved something that Magic couldn't in 2015..

[70sFan]

He'll be the 2nd greatest PG ever. Don't see him passing Magic but he'll pass everyone else.

Magic has a size advantage, but Magic always played next to a small PG/SG. Unless they're playing 1v1 or if Magic is playing next to a real SG than that size advantage means nothing.

Curry is clearly the better scorer and he has a far greater impact on his team ability to win. I'll take peak Curry all day.

As long as Curry can play at a high level for the next 4 years he will have had a better career.

Based on what exactly?

[70sFan]

Magic and Oscar played with Kareem. Magic also had an armada of talent with him. They just have to keep winning and he has to be around long enough for the story to stick. Same with virtually every star.

Magic won four of the five titles when Kareem was 34+ and was pretty clearly the guys on those teams, hence credit for four titles as the guy. Oscar was past it when Kareem carried that team to a title, so really none as the man. That 4-0 is a big part of the reason Magic is rated higher than Oscar by most.

With the current Warriors it's very muddied now between Curry and Durant.

a 34+ Kareem is still way better than Klay Thompson in 2015 and Magic did not have to go against a GOAT in Lebron James. So in that regards, Curry also achieved something that Magic couldn't in 2015..

Magic and the Lakers beat far better teams than 2015 Cavs without Kyrie and Love. Lakers won 2 titles against Celtics dynasty with Bird/McHale/Parish. He beat Dr J and the Sixers. Lakers also won against 1988 Pistons. That's more impressive than beating injured Cavs in 2015.

[dhsilv2]

Durant going there really hurts his potential GOAT ranking. He's seen as part of an ensemble with equals rather than the guy.

Magic and Oscar played with Kareem. Magic also had an armada of talent with him. They just have to keep winning and he has to be around long enough for the story to stick. Same with virtually every star.

Magic won four of the five titles when Kareem was 34+ and was pretty clearly the guys on those teams, hence credit for four titles as the guy. Oscar was past it when Kareem carried that team to a title, so really none as the man. That 4-0 is a big part of the reason Magic is rated higher than Oscar by most.

With the current Warriors it's very muddied now between Curry and Durant.

Kareem was getting finals MVP's. The realty of today is that we under value players because there's not much else to do but criticize people when you have 24 hour news and online message boards.

[oaktownwarriors87]

He'll be the 2nd greatest PG ever. Don't see him passing Magic but he'll pass everyone else.

Magic has a size advantage, but Magic always played next to a small PG/SG. Unless they're playing 1v1 or if Magic is playing next to a real SG than that size advantage means nothing.

Curry is clearly the better scorer and he has a far greater impact on his team ability to win. I'll take peak Curry all day.

As long as Curry can play at a high level for the next 4 years he will have had a better career.

Based on what exactly?

PER, Win Share, +/-, VORP etc. all say that peak Curry is a better player.

Curry now has a chance to catch him in longevity and total rings. He should do that as long as he keeps playing at a high level through his prime years.

Obviously both are great, and Curry still has a ways to go.

[70sFan]

Magic has a size advantage, but Magic always played next to a small PG/SG. Unless they're playing 1v1 or if Magic is playing next to a real SG than that size advantage means nothing.

Curry is clearly the better scorer and he has a far greater impact on his team ability to win. I'll take peak Curry all day.

As long as Curry can play at a high level for the next 4 years he will have had a better career.

Based on what exactly?

PER, Win Share, +/-, VORP etc. all say that peak Curry is a better player.

Curry now has a chance to catch him in longevity and total rings. He should do that as long as he keeps playing at a high level through his prime years.

Obviously both are great, and Curry still has a ways to go.

Stats don't call him better player in playoffs. I think that playoffs can show which player has a far greater impact on his team ability to win.

Magic played much different than Curry. Of course he's not the same scorer Curry is, but he's also on another league in terms of playmaking and creating offense. He can be the best player on the floor without a single FGA. That’s different approach than Steph game.

In fact neither is worse than the other. The are different. I'm sure that Curry couldn't replace Magic role in Showtime and Johnson wasn't the shooter Curry is to create spacing for Warriors. To be honest, I think that Magic would fare better with Warriors than Curry with Lakers, but that's another topic.

To call Curry far better than Magic is just wrong. Neither is impactful defender (and I'd argue that Curry doesn't have any edge here) and you can't be "far better" offensively than peak Magic. That kind of player didn't and still doesn't exist.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Based on what exactly?

PER, Win Share, +/-, VORP etc. all say that peak Curry is a better player.

Curry now has a chance to catch him in longevity and total rings. He should do that as long as he keeps playing at a high level through his prime years.

Obviously both are great, and Curry still has a ways to go.

Stats don't call him better player in playoffs. I think that playoffs can show which player has a far greater impact on his team ability to win.

Actually, they do.

Peak Curry vs peak Magic in the playoffs:

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       Curry   Magic
BPM    +10.8    +9.7
WS/48   .272    .267
PER     27.1    26.2
VORP     2.2     2.1

Obviously it's close, but Curry does top him in both the regular season and the playoffs.

[bizil]

Even though I consider Curry the better scorer, Magic was a pass first PG who could ALSO morph into a dominant scorer. But Magic played on teams with Kareem, Worthy, McAdoo, Nixon, Wilkes, B Scott, etc. So being a pass first savant, OF COURSE Magic is going to cater to those guys. BUT in actuality, Magic was a better scorer than all of them on those Lakers teams except a prime Kareem. It was just that Magic was pass first and was the GOAT passer arguably. So even if he didn't averaged as many points as Worthy or Scott in a given season, it was KNOWN Magic was actually a true alpha dog level scorer.

However once Magic started to become more aggressive scoring, he was averaging 24 PPG at one point. And THIS is from a pass first perspective. Down the stretch of a game, Magic showed he could will a team to victory scoring the rock. He had that killer instinct. So as a shooter, Steph is the best of all time.

As a scorer, I give Steph the edge too. BUT Magic was a pass first PG who could also dominate scoring. Those types of guys are MORE rare mentality wise. There may have only been ten of those guys (long term wise) in NBA history. With of course Big O, Bron (as a point forward), Magic, and Isiah leading that pack. Steph is a great score first player who can ALSO be a very skilled or great passer. But there are more guys with Steph's mentality in that realm than Magic's. I'm not taking about Steph's scoring arsenal or offensive skillset. That's HELLA RARE! I'm talking about Magic being one of the rare players who was pass first BUT could also dominate scoring. Look at the league today for example in terms of PG's. Of the top 10, only CP3 and Wall are somewhat similar to Magic. All the other ones are score first like Curry!

[cpower]

Magic won four of the five titles when Kareem was 34+ and was pretty clearly the guys on those teams, hence credit for four titles as the guy. Oscar was past it when Kareem carried that team to a title, so really none as the man. That 4-0 is a big part of the reason Magic is rated higher than Oscar by most.

With the current Warriors it's very muddied now between Curry and Durant.

a 34+ Kareem is still way better than Klay Thompson in 2015 and Magic did not have to go against a GOAT in Lebron James. So in that regards, Curry also achieved something that Magic couldn't in 2015..

Magic and the Lakers beat far better teams than 2015 Cavs without Kyrie and Love. Lakers won 2 titles against Celtics dynasty with Bird/McHale/Parish. He beat Dr J and the Sixers. Lakers also won against 1988 Pistons. That's more impressive than beating injured Cavs in 2015.

The injured Cavs had the GOAT , to me that's better than Dr.J Philly 80 even without Irving and Love. The Philly were terrible offensively.