James Harden thread (2017-18)

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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#161 » by GSP » Wed Feb 7, 2018 6:01 am

What are the odds on the Rockets winning the title? Seriously considering making a bet on it
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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#162 » by JordansBulls » Wed Feb 7, 2018 6:03 am

Not sure as Astro’s won it all when is last time two teams from same city won a title same year or within one year of one another in a major sport?
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Post#163 » by ardee » Wed Feb 7, 2018 9:25 am

Now have the no. 1 SRS AND no. 1 offense in the league.
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Post#164 » by ardee » Wed Feb 7, 2018 9:26 am

GSP wrote:What are the odds on the Rockets winning the title? Seriously considering making a bet on it


http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

Currently 11 times worse odds than the Warriors.
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Post#165 » by Krodis » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:31 pm

Rockets ORTG up to 115.4, just shy of the NBA record of 115.6, and this is with all the injuries.

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Post#166 » by RightToCensor » Wed Feb 7, 2018 11:43 pm

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Post#167 » by ardee » Wed Feb 7, 2018 11:46 pm

RightToCensor wrote:
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Unrelated, but the fact that the best players are clustered around the middle of that list should tell you something about how useful TS% is.
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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#168 » by O_6 » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:18 pm

What a performance last night. He put on a show. Top 5 game from him this year imo. I know there are 5 better ones statistically but the way he just took over down the stretch of this game was filthy.

The vicious cross-over on Winslow by the baseline that led to the easy dunk (to tie it at 87). Then a 3 following that play to put them up 3. Then later in the 4th he hit two straight 3pt daggers with less than 3 mins left to put the game away.

He has been making a lot of big shots lately. Him and CP3 are really starting to get a good feel for each other.
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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#169 » by JulesWinnfield » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:29 pm

Can we all agree that among guys in that 6’5” to 6’7” range his ball handling skills are basically unparrallelled? I’ve never seen a wing with the ball on a string like this, he is closer to the elite ball handling pgs than he is other great wings... and it’s made all the more dangerous by how he has mastered that herky jerky rhythm to get to wherever he wants
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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#170 » by O_6 » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:12 pm

JulesWinnfield wrote:Can we all agree that among guys in that 6’5” to 6’7” range his ball handling skills are basically unparrallelled? I’ve never seen a wing with the ball on a string like this, he is closer to the elite ball handling pgs than he is other great wings... and it’s made all the more dangerous by how he has mastered that herky jerky rhythm to get to wherever he wants


For most ball-handlers, defenders have to worry about "right or left". With Harden, they also have to worry about "forwards or backwards" because he has mastered the art of the stepback and is great at getting to the rim.

The cross-over on Winslow last night was clearly an example of Winslow expecting a stepback and then Harden hitting him with the quick drive to the right.

He is just so confident right now playing alongside Paul.
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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#171 » by K_chile22 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:30 pm

Harden still has the same great overall efficiency he's always had, but I don't think he's gotten enough attention for really bumping up with efficiency from the field (even though I maintain that's just semantics and overall efficiency is what actually matters).
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Post#172 » by Krodis » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:34 pm

What he's doing from isolation this year is absurd. First in possessions by a mile at 9.4 per game while scoring at 1.25 PPP is just insane.

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Post#173 » by JordansBulls » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:38 am

Guy is just on another level compared to the guys in the league right now. Leading the league in every advanced stat and leading the league in scoring at that. Last guy to do that was Shaq in 2000.
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Post#174 » by JulesWinnfield » Sun Mar 4, 2018 5:48 am

15 straight. If they can get through this upcoming 4 game road trip they have a chance to really put everyone on streak watch as they push into that 2013 heat and 70s laker territory. They could really do something special if they make it out of this road trip. The schedule plays that way
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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#175 » by Dr Spaceman » Sun Mar 4, 2018 8:24 am

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JulesWinnfield wrote:Can we all agree that among guys in that 6’5” to 6’7” range his ball handling skills are basically unparrallelled? I’ve never seen a wing with the ball on a string like this, he is closer to the elite ball handling pgs than he is other great wings... and it’s made all the more dangerous by how he has mastered that herky jerky rhythm to get to wherever he wants


For most ball-handlers, defenders have to worry about "right or left". With Harden, they also have to worry about "forwards or backwards" because he has mastered the art of the stepback and is great at getting to the rim.

The cross-over on Winslow last night was clearly an example of Winslow expecting a stepback and then Harden hitting him with the quick drive to the right.

He is just so confident right now playing alongside Paul.


It’s gotten to the point where he has so many options that there just is no defending him. You can’t really defend him without committing to something, because if you don’t commit you can’t contest his shot... but as soon as he sees the commitment he’s already into a move in the opposite direction. It’s literally frightening. I don’t know if we’ve ever seen a scorer with this varied an Arsenal.
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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#176 » by Jim Naismith » Sun Mar 4, 2018 2:10 pm

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JulesWinnfield wrote:Can we all agree that among guys in that 6’5” to 6’7” range his ball handling skills are basically unparrallelled? I’ve never seen a wing with the ball on a string like this, he is closer to the elite ball handling pgs than he is other great wings... and it’s made all the more dangerous by how he has mastered that herky jerky rhythm to get to wherever he wants


For most ball-handlers, defenders have to worry about "right or left". With Harden, they also have to worry about "forwards or backwards" because he has mastered the art of the stepback and is great at getting to the rim.

The cross-over on Winslow last night was clearly an example of Winslow expecting a stepback and then Harden hitting him with the quick drive to the right.

He is just so confident right now playing alongside Paul.


It’s gotten to the point where he has so many options that there just is no defending him. You can’t really defend him without committing to something, because if you don’t commit you can’t contest his shot... but as soon as he sees the commitment he’s already into a move in the opposite direction. It’s literally frightening. I don’t know if we’ve ever seen a scorer with this varied an Arsenal.


I actually thought he played not so great against the Celtics. 6/18 (3/12 3P) is subpar.

Eric Gordon had an amazing game, and then Trevor Ariza took over in the final two minutes with a 3-pointer/steal/layup sequence that put the Rockets ahead.
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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#177 » by Pillendreher » Sun Mar 4, 2018 3:51 pm

The Thunder should rest everybody. Without Roberson, the Rockets might hit us for 160.
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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#178 » by Krodis » Sun Mar 4, 2018 6:24 pm

I'd really rather Geral Green have kept getting minutes rather than Joe Johnson.

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Re: James Harden thread (2017-18) 

Post#179 » by thekdog34 » Sun Mar 4, 2018 6:59 pm

Krodis wrote:I'd really rather Geral Green have kept getting minutes rather than Joe Johnson.

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I think D'Antoni trusts Johnson a lot more. Green can get hot but is prone to defensive errors and isn't going to create offense other than just shooting
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Post#180 » by K_chile22 » Mon Mar 5, 2018 1:30 am

Krodis wrote:I'd really rather Geral Green have kept getting minutes rather than Joe Johnson.

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There are times where I agree, but so far Joe has been a solid defender and good ball mover. Only time he ISO's is when CP3 gives him the ball to iso (which he needs to stop doing it, uses Joe as a crutch to not be aggressive shooting). For the most part, Joe is a better option

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