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Post#1981 » by Gregoire » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:15 am

Hey, guys! Could somebody explain me some things:

1. How it work with “health’? For example, ElGee had 2001 Shaq at 0.265 title odds approximately, Shaq played 74 games. When I asked ElGee last year he said that “health isn’t linear, Shaq 2001 would have been 27.5 that year if healthy”.

2. When I asked ElGee on Twitter about peak Lebron and peak Jordan in terms of SRS, he responded: “both Jordan and LeBron were +7.25 in their peak years. LeBron has the highest year at +7.5 (but lower portability). This is splitting hairs a bit, but it just means he did better than anyone with lesser teams and lost some of that value on better teams”.
Also peak Shaq, as I understood, is 7,0 (5,0 O+2,0 D) in his evaluations. How it could be translated to their peaks in CORP numbers?

peak '89 MJ ~.31
peak '00 Shaq ~.29
peak '13 LeBron ~.29

3. Maybe ElGee posted anywere exact evaluations of each season in terms of CORP of top players? Im very interested. In his graphs its not exactly clear sometimes….
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Yeah, when ever I make all time comparisons, I pretty much ignore the pre-3PT-line era. The game was so different then. It's apples and oranges. Those guys may be better or may be worse, we're never really going to know.
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Post#1982 » by freethedevil » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:41 am

Gregoire wrote:Hey, guys! Could somebody explain me some things:

1. How it work with “health’? For example, ElGee had 2001 Shaq at 0.265 title odds approximately, Shaq played 74 games. When I asked ElGee last year he said that “health isn’t linear, Shaq 2001 would have been 27.5 that year if healthy”.

2. When I asked ElGee on Twitter about peak Lebron and peak Jordan in terms of SRS, he responded: “both Jordan and LeBron were +7.25 in their peak years. LeBron has the highest year at +7.5 (but lower portability). This is splitting hairs a bit, but it just means he did better than anyone with lesser teams and lost some of that value on better teams”.
Also peak Shaq, as I understood, is 7,0 (5,0 O+2,0 D) in his evaluations. How it could be translated to their peaks in CORP numbers?

peak '89 MJ ~.31
peak '00 Shaq ~.29
peak '13 LeBron ~.29

3. Maybe ElGee posted anywere exact evaluations of each season in terms of CORP of top players? Im very interested. In his graphs its not exactly clear sometimes….

It's cause jordan was better off the ball during his peak.
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Post#1983 » by Gregoire » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:22 am

Best player of each year according to ElGee graphs in terms of CORP (assuming 100% health) since 1960:

60 - Russell
61 - Russell
62 - Russell
63 - Russell
64 - Russell
65 - Russell
66 - West
67 - Wilt
68 - Wilt
69 - West
70 - West
71 - Kareem
72 - Kareem
73 - Kareem
74 - Kareem
75 - Kareem
76 - Kareem
77 - Kareem
78 - Kareem
79 - Kareem
80 - Kareem
81- Bird
82- Bird
83- Bird
84- Bird
85- Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Magic
88 - MJ
89 - MJ
90 - MJ
91 - MJ
92 - MJ
93 - MJ
94 - Hakeem
95 - Robinson
96 - MJ
97 - MJ
98 - MJ
99 - Shaq
00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - ? (Shaq or Duncan)
03 - Duncan
04 - KG
05 - Duncan
06 - KG
07 - Duncan
08 - KG
09 - LeBron
10 - LeBron
11 - LeBron
12 - LeBron
13 - LeBron
14 - LeBron
15 - ? (LeBron or Curry)
16 - LeBron
17 - ? (LeBron or Curry)
18 - ?
19 - ? (Curry I think)
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Yeah, when ever I make all time comparisons, I pretty much ignore the pre-3PT-line era. The game was so different then. It's apples and oranges. Those guys may be better or may be worse, we're never really going to know.
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Post#1984 » by freethedevil » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:01 am

Gregoire wrote:Best player of each year according to ElGee graphs in terms of CORP (assuming 100% health) since 1960:

60 - Russell
61 - Russell
62 - Russell
63 - Russell
64 - Russell
65 - Russell
66 - West
67 - Wilt
68 - Wilt
69 - West
70 - West
71 - Kareem
72 - Kareem
73 - Kareem
74 - Kareem
75 - Kareem
76 - Kareem
77 - Kareem
78 - Kareem
79 - Kareem
80 - Kareem
81- Bird
82- Bird
83- Bird
84- Bird
85- Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Magic
88 - MJ
89 - MJ
90 - MJ
91 - MJ
92 - MJ
93 - MJ
94 - Hakeem
95 - Robinson
96 - MJ
97 - MJ
98 - MJ
99 - Shaq
00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - Duncan
03 - Duncan
04 - KG
05 - Duncan
06 - KG
07 - Duncan
08 - KG
09 - LeBron
10 - LeBron
11 - LeBron
12 - LeBron
13 - LeBron
14 - LeBron
15 - Curry
16 - LeBron
17 -Curry
18 - Lebron
19 - Curry(Giannis was a very close second)

Suprised by 2015 lebron being a down year, but i recall he had a slump due to a back injury.
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Post#1985 » by Gregoire » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:06 am

freethedevil wrote:
Gregoire wrote:Best player of each year according to ElGee graphs in terms of CORP (assuming 100% health) since 1960:

60 - Russell
61 - Russell
62 - Russell
63 - Russell
64 - Russell
65 - Russell
66 - West
67 - Wilt
68 - Wilt
69 - West
70 - West
71 - Kareem
72 - Kareem
73 - Kareem
74 - Kareem
75 - Kareem
76 - Kareem
77 - Kareem
78 - Kareem
79 - Kareem
80 - Kareem
81- Bird
82- Bird
83- Bird
84- Bird
85- Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Magic
88 - MJ
89 - MJ
90 - MJ
91 - MJ
92 - MJ
93 - MJ
94 - Hakeem
95 - Robinson
96 - MJ
97 - MJ
98 - MJ
99 - Shaq
00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - Duncan
03 - Duncan
04 - KG
05 - Duncan
06 - KG
07 - Duncan
08 - KG
09 - LeBron
10 - LeBron
11 - LeBron
12 - LeBron
13 - LeBron
14 - LeBron
15 - Curry
16 - LeBron
17 -Curry
18 - Lebron
19 - Curry(Giannis was a very close second)

Suprised by 2015 lebron being a down year, but i recall he had a slump due to a back injury.


Great! Where you found his evaluations for 2018 and 2019? Give the link, please.
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Post#1986 » by tihsad » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:36 am

Gregoire wrote:Best player of each year according to ElGee graphs in terms of CORP (assuming 100% health) since 1960:

60 - Russell
61 - Russell
62 - Russell
63 - Russell
64 - Russell
65 - Russell
66 - West
67 - Wilt
68 - Wilt
69 - West
70 - West
71 - Kareem
72 - Kareem
73 - Kareem
74 - Kareem
75 - Kareem
76 - Kareem
77 - Kareem
78 - Kareem
79 - Kareem
80 - Kareem
81- Bird
82- Bird
83- Bird
84- Bird
85- Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Magic
88 - MJ
89 - MJ
90 - MJ
91 - MJ
92 - MJ
93 - MJ
94 - Hakeem
95 - Robinson
96 - MJ
97 - MJ
98 - MJ
99 - Shaq
00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - ? (Shaq or Duncan)
03 - Duncan
04 - KG
05 - Duncan
06 - KG
07 - Duncan
08 - KG
09 - LeBron
10 - LeBron
11 - LeBron
12 - LeBron
13 - LeBron
14 - LeBron
15 - ? (LeBron or Curry)
16 - LeBron
17 - ? (LeBron or Curry)
18 - ?
19 - ? (Curry I think)


Thanks for putting this all together, Gregoire. I'd only point out that Mr. Taylor's list puts a much greater priority on longevity (or value added) vs. peaks then many other conventional rankings, among other items Elgee has opted to focus on.
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Post#1987 » by freethedevil » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:31 pm

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WarriorGM wrote:
Reservoirdawgs wrote:
Elgee's list is phenomenal. I've only read the methodology and a couple entries so far, but it's clearly amazing. Where I think it goes wrong is in ignoring the simple idea that the playoffs are more, not less, important than the regular season. This is true because everyone - fans, players (the only relevant group, tbh), coaches, advertising execs, etc. - arbitrarily decides it is. This arbitrary decision warps the way the game is played in the playoffs (a similar effect occurs at the end of all games, RS or PS).

That's simply not accurate. Elgee puts FAAR more weight in the playoffs than the regular season. He took durant out of the top ten for missing the conference finals and the finals. Chris Paul and Curry all got massive downgrades due to playoff slumps in prime seasons. Lebron's been rated #1 on the basis of his playoff performance despite his rs performance not being up to snuff. Harden isn't in the top 40 because of his playoff performances:



No, elgee uses the regular reason for a large sample size of data. Then he uses the playoffs to see how well a player's rs impact translates to the playoffs. So first, he sees how you play. Then he sees what happens in the postseason and adjusts accordingly. If a player scored 50 ppg in the regular season but had no impact int he postseason they'd have a corp near 0.
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Post#1988 » by freethedevil » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:32 pm

Gregoire wrote:
freethedevil wrote:
Gregoire wrote:Best player of each year according to ElGee graphs in terms of CORP (assuming 100% health) since 1960:

60 - Russell
61 - Russell
62 - Russell
63 - Russell
64 - Russell
65 - Russell
66 - West
67 - Wilt
68 - Wilt
69 - West
70 - West
71 - Kareem
72 - Kareem
73 - Kareem
74 - Kareem
75 - Kareem
76 - Kareem
77 - Kareem
78 - Kareem
79 - Kareem
80 - Kareem
81- Bird
82- Bird
83- Bird
84- Bird
85- Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Magic
88 - MJ
89 - MJ
90 - MJ
91 - MJ
92 - MJ
93 - MJ
94 - Hakeem
95 - Robinson
96 - MJ
97 - MJ
98 - MJ
99 - Shaq
00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - Duncan
03 - Duncan
04 - KG
05 - Duncan
06 - KG
07 - Duncan
08 - KG
09 - LeBron
10 - LeBron
11 - LeBron
12 - LeBron
13 - LeBron
14 - LeBron
15 - Curry
16 - LeBron
17 -Curry
18 - Lebron
19 - Curry(Giannis was a very close second)

Suprised by 2015 lebron being a down year, but i recall he had a slump due to a back injury.


Great! Where you found his evaluations for 2018 and 2019? Give the link, please.

Can't, there's a paywall. You have to pay 5 a month for access to his soreadsheets.

At any rate, curry's corp was 18.7 % while giannis's was 18.4%. Kawhi was at 14%.

Taylor had the finals mvp at "weak mvp" based on his scouting in the final. He had curry at "strong mvp". That probably plays a significant role in the gap.
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Post#1989 » by penbeast0 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:37 pm

tihsad wrote:
Gregoire wrote:Best player of each year according to ElGee graphs in terms of CORP (assuming 100% health) since 1960:

60 - Russell
61 - Russell
62 - Russell
63 - Russell
64 - Russell
65 - Russell
66 - West
67 - Wilt
68 - Wilt
69 - West
70 - West
71 - Kareem
72 - Kareem
73 - Kareem
74 - Kareem
75 - Kareem
76 - Kareem
77 - Kareem
78 - Kareem
79 - Kareem
80 - Kareem
81- Bird
82- Bird
83- Bird
84- Bird
85- Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Magic
88 - MJ
89 - MJ
90 - MJ
91 - MJ
92 - MJ
93 - MJ
94 - Hakeem
95 - Robinson
96 - MJ
97 - MJ
98 - MJ
99 - Shaq
00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - ? (Shaq or Duncan)
03 - Duncan
04 - KG
05 - Duncan
06 - KG
07 - Duncan
08 - KG
09 - LeBron
10 - LeBron
11 - LeBron
12 - LeBron
13 - LeBron
14 - LeBron
15 - ? (LeBron or Curry)
16 - LeBron
17 - ? (LeBron or Curry)
18 - ?
19 - ? (Curry I think)


Thanks for putting this all together, Gregoire. I'd only point out that Mr. Taylor's list puts a much greater priority on longevity (or value added) vs. peaks then many other conventional rankings, among other items Elgee has opted to focus on.


Does that matter when he's doing Player of the YEAR rankings? Maybe he puts more emphasis on minutes played and doesn't give, for example, Kawhi Leonard, a pass for taking a lot of days off to be fresh for the playoffs? I don't actually know. I do know that you are correct when it comes to his GOAT ranking.
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Post#1990 » by liamliam1234 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:06 pm

I think a few results strongly call into question the degree to which this is a true “playoff metric”. Notably, looking at 1975 (Kareem misses playoffs; Unseld, Hayes, McGinnis, McAdoo, Barry, and Gilmore all have excellent years, and McAdoo is the only one to not progress to the Finals), 1995 (Robinson clearly, comfortably, and at times comically outplayed by Hakeem in conference finals), 2006 (Garnett misses playoffs; Wade has excellent regular season by impact metrics and is even better in playoffs), and kind-of 2019 (Giannis dips in playoffs and is outplayed by Kawhi, who he still significantly outpaces in terms of CORP). 1995 and 2019 show regular season is still a massive factor, and 1975 and 2006 cement that by showing it literally cannot be a real playoff metric. If I had access to some of the other top rankings, could analyse that further (guessing Garnett still finishes well in 2005 and 2007, for one).
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Post#1991 » by Owly » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:33 pm

liamliam1234 wrote:I think a few results strongly call into question the degree to which this is a true “playoff metric”. Notably, looking at 1975 (Kareem misses playoffs; Unseld, Hayes, McGinnis, McAdoo, Barry, and Gilmore all have excellent years, and McAdoo is the only one to not progress to the Finals), 1995 (Robinson clearly, comfortably, and at times comically outplayed by Hakeem in conference finals), 2006 (Garnett misses playoffs; Wade has excellent regular season by impact metrics and is even better in playoffs), and kind-of 2019 (Giannis dips in playoffs and is outplayed by Kawhi, who he still significantly outpaces in terms of CORP). 1995 and 2019 show regular season is still a massive factor, and 1975 and 2006 cement that by showing it literally cannot be a real playoff metric. If I had access to some of the other top rankings, could analyse that further (guessing Garnett still finishes well in 2005 and 2007, for one).

Defining what you mean by
a true “playoff metric”
or
a real playoff metric

might assist in deciding whether CORP is that.

But I don't think, to my limited knowledge, that there is any suggestion that it is playoff only, so a player on a non-playoff qualifying team being eligible for consideration would seem to be as expected (and therefore insofar as these are prerequisites to being "a real/true playoff metric" it would be one to 0 degree, and this would be known by all with a passing interest in the process/figures).
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Post#1992 » by freethedevil » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:56 pm

liamliam1234 wrote:I think a few results strongly call into question the degree to which this is a true “playoff metric”. Notably, looking at 1975 (Kareem misses playoffs; Unseld, Hayes, McGinnis, McAdoo, Barry, and Gilmore all have excellent years, and McAdoo is the only one to not progress to the Finals), 1995 (Robinson clearly, comfortably, and at times comically outplayed by Hakeem in conference finals), 2006 (Garnett misses playoffs; Wade has excellent regular season by impact metrics and is even better in playoffs), and kind-of 2019 (Giannis dips in playoffs and is outplayed by Kawhi, who he still significantly outpaces in terms of CORP). 1995 and 2019 show regular season is still a massive factor, and 1975 and 2006 cement that by showing it literally cannot be a real playoff metric. If I had access to some of the other top rankings, could analyse that further (guessing Garnett still finishes well in 2005 and 2007, for one).

I think a few results strongly call into question the degree to which this is a true “playoff metric”.

It's a how much would you increase a team's chances at a championship stat. So, it gives marginal value to seeding and rs play but is mostly based on value offered in the postseason. El gee has his own metric for playoff things which factors in corp.

(Giannis dips in playoffs and is outplayed by Kawhi, who he still significantly outpaces in terms of CORP).

Kawhi didn't outplay Giannis per the stats mcgee uses. His playoff metric has them playing each other to a draw when they faced up and had giannis being much better over the first two rounds. Similarly he has kawhi playing curry to a draw in his playoff metric and has curry playing much better in the conference finals and has him playing better in the first round. He dings curry for the second round. So both, when looking at playoff value are rated higher.

A tangent, as it doesn't factor into corp but when he broke down the tape and gave a scouting report of the raps vs the warriors, he had curry as a strong mvp and kawhi as a weak mvp with them being a wash defensively and curry having an offensive edge.

taking the playoffs as a whole Kawhi's playoff #"s don't even have him as a top 5 player in Mcgee's eyes. Durant, Curry, Jokic, and Giannis all had better stats but jokic was dinged for sample size and durant was left off the top ten all toegther because of his injury. Lebron missing the playoffs had him dinged to like 6th.

Additionally giannis "dipping" did cost him with elgee lowering him from significantly better than anyone else to not as good as curry. Even so, giannis was still better than kawhi in the playoffs per elgee's stats.

. Notably, looking at 1975 (Kareem misses playoffs; Unseld, Hayes, McGinnis, McAdoo, Barry, and Gilmore all have excellent years, and McAdoo is the only one to not progress to the Finals),

He projects playoff value based on regular season play when players don't make the playoffs. And even then, he still dings them:
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Kareem misses the playoff and gets a huge discount for it. He projects kareem would be at least weak mvp if he made the playoffs, but because he didn't he can't assume kareem would play at the "all time" level he did the year before. So kareem gets dropped from peak robinson lvl to 2019 embid lvl.
1995 and 2019 show regular season is still a massive factor.

No, it shows he rates curry and giannis's playoff performance higher than you do. And it shows he rates kawhi's playoff peformance lower than you do. El gee's bpm has kawhi as not even top 5. Probably because 2019 kawhi was only a great scorer in comparison to other superstars. His playmaking is the worst of any superstar and his defense isn't special.
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Post#1993 » by freethedevil » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:58 pm

penbeast0 wrote:
tihsad wrote:
Gregoire wrote:Best player of each year according to ElGee graphs in terms of CORP (assuming 100% health) since 1960:

60 - Russell
61 - Russell
62 - Russell
63 - Russell
64 - Russell
65 - Russell
66 - West
67 - Wilt
68 - Wilt
69 - West
70 - West
71 - Kareem
72 - Kareem
73 - Kareem
74 - Kareem
75 - Kareem
76 - Kareem
77 - Kareem
78 - Kareem
79 - Kareem
80 - Kareem
81- Bird
82- Bird
83- Bird
84- Bird
85- Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Magic
88 - MJ
89 - MJ
90 - MJ
91 - MJ
92 - MJ
93 - MJ
94 - Hakeem
95 - Robinson
96 - MJ
97 - MJ
98 - MJ
99 - Shaq
00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - ? (Shaq or Duncan)
03 - Duncan
04 - KG
05 - Duncan
06 - KG
07 - Duncan
08 - KG
09 - LeBron
10 - LeBron
11 - LeBron
12 - LeBron
13 - LeBron
14 - LeBron
15 - ? (LeBron or Curry)
16 - LeBron
17 - ? (LeBron or Curry)
18 - ?
19 - ? (Curry I think)


Thanks for putting this all together, Gregoire. I'd only point out that Mr. Taylor's list puts a much greater priority on longevity (or value added) vs. peaks then many other conventional rankings, among other items Elgee has opted to focus on.


Does that matter when he's doing Player of the YEAR rankings? Maybe he puts more emphasis on minutes played and doesn't give, for example, Kawhi Leonard, a pass for taking a lot of days off to be fresh for the playoffs? I don't actually know. I do know that you are correct when it comes to his GOAT ranking.

Kawhi's "didn't play in the rs" ding, is marginal, it's mostly he just doesn't rate kawhi that highly as a player, playoffs or rs.
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Post#1994 » by Gregoire » Yesterday 2:42 pm

freethedevil wrote:
Gregoire wrote:Hey, guys! Could somebody explain me some things:

1. How it work with “health’? For example, ElGee had 2001 Shaq at 0.265 title odds approximately, Shaq played 74 games. When I asked ElGee last year he said that “health isn’t linear, Shaq 2001 would have been 27.5 that year if healthy”.

2. When I asked ElGee on Twitter about peak Lebron and peak Jordan in terms of SRS, he responded: “both Jordan and LeBron were +7.25 in their peak years. LeBron has the highest year at +7.5 (but lower portability). This is splitting hairs a bit, but it just means he did better than anyone with lesser teams and lost some of that value on better teams”.
Also peak Shaq, as I understood, is 7,0 (5,0 O+2,0 D) in his evaluations. How it could be translated to their peaks in CORP numbers?

peak '89 MJ ~.31
peak '00 Shaq ~.29
peak '13 LeBron ~.29

3. Maybe ElGee posted anywere exact evaluations of each season in terms of CORP of top players? Im very interested. In his graphs its not exactly clear sometimes….

It's cause jordan was better off the ball during his peak.


Still dont understand how it works... MJs peak is 0,31 CORP, LBJ - 0,29 CORP... But both has 7,25 SRS (Lebron even 7,5 with worse portability)... So who has better peak overall?
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Post#1995 » by freethedevil » Yesterday 2:44 pm

Gregoire wrote:
freethedevil wrote:
Gregoire wrote:Hey, guys! Could somebody explain me some things:

1. How it work with “health’? For example, ElGee had 2001 Shaq at 0.265 title odds approximately, Shaq played 74 games. When I asked ElGee last year he said that “health isn’t linear, Shaq 2001 would have been 27.5 that year if healthy”.

2. When I asked ElGee on Twitter about peak Lebron and peak Jordan in terms of SRS, he responded: “both Jordan and LeBron were +7.25 in their peak years. LeBron has the highest year at +7.5 (but lower portability). This is splitting hairs a bit, but it just means he did better than anyone with lesser teams and lost some of that value on better teams”.
Also peak Shaq, as I understood, is 7,0 (5,0 O+2,0 D) in his evaluations. How it could be translated to their peaks in CORP numbers?

peak '89 MJ ~.31
peak '00 Shaq ~.29
peak '13 LeBron ~.29

3. Maybe ElGee posted anywere exact evaluations of each season in terms of CORP of top players? Im very interested. In his graphs its not exactly clear sometimes….

It's cause jordan was better off the ball during his peak.


Still dont understand how it works... MJs peak is 0,31 CORP, LBJ - 0,29 CORP... But both has 7,25 SRS (Lebron even 7,5 with worse portability)... So who has better peak overall?

The srs doesn't take into account portability. Lebron actually has the highest srs from 2009 but his portability was even worse taking him below is 2013 self.

Basically, lebron has been as and one time even more impactful than mj, but mj doesn't need the ball to excel as much as prime lebron did, so he gets the edge.

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