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So I saw a turn of phrase from E-Balla that I really really love. He named Andre Iguodala aaa a constant fixture on teams who won a surprising amount of games.

So my question to the PC forum: who are the other guys who fit on this roster? Guys you don’t traditionally think of as big impact stars, but who seem to be a fixture on teams who way overachieve projections?

I’ll start with a few nominations:

PG: ?
SG: ?
SF: Andre Iguodala
PF: ?
C: Al Horford/Nene

Korver went from solid Philly teams to solid Utah teams to solid Bulls teams to Atlanta teams to the Cavs. I'd toss him out there.

Uncle Cliffy, he kept winning from Drexler era Blazers to 50 W seasons with the Suns and then landed on some successful Pistons and Nets teams in 2000s as well

Battier's teams were always pretty good, from overperforming 45-50 W Grizzlies in mid 2000s to 50 W Tmac/Yao years and then onto Miami championship teams

Aldridge, interesting because he wouldn't be the type of player who's game I would call subtly impactful and it may just be luck, but other than a few lean years after Roy he's had a successful career with two separate 50 W cores with the Blazers and then a great win/loss with Spurs so far

Rodman and Horry are obvious picks but worth mentioning

Paul Silas. He played in many successful teams and was ultimate roleplayer.

Shane Battier was one of the first guys that came to mind. Memphis in the mid 2000s didn't seem like a team that should be winning 45-50 games. And then being a part of a Houston team that won 22 in a row half of which without Yao, which looking at that Rockets roster seems kinda crazy. And then the next year they won 53 games and in the playoffs went 7 games against the 66 win, would-be champion Lakers without McGrady. Finally, he was obviously a key piece of a Miami team that went back-to-back. Just nuts how he always seemed to be on winning teams.

I want to say Derek Anderson because he was playing about 30 mpg throughout his career and always seemed to be a part of winning teams from a 47 win Cavs team to a WCF Spurs team to a 50 win Blazers team to the championship Heat. But he's had some very notable teammates throughout his career to be fair (Kemp, Duncan, D Rob, Rasheed, Wade, Shaq...) so not sure he's the right kind of mention.

No PGs yet. KC Jones (or is that cheating), had virtually no statistical footprint but was there through almost all of the Celtics championships years. Similar player (without the defensive rep) might be Derek Fisher. Tony Parker, though he has serious stats, those Spurs tended to overperform their talent level. Ron Harper played for the Sterling era Clippers for a bit which almost automatically disqualifies you. Interesting topic.

I want to nominate Sam Perkins as center. Played 1284 gms in 15 seasons, averaged almost 12 pts in about 28 minutes and never had a losing season. 824 wins in the RS and 88 PO wins

penbeast0 wrote:No PGs yet. KC Jones (or is that cheating), had virtually no statistical footprint but was there through almost all of the Celtics championships years. Similar player (without the defensive rep) might be Derek Fisher. Tony Parker, though he has serious stats, those Spurs tended to overperform their talent level. Ron Harper played for the Sterling era Clippers for a bit which almost automatically disqualifies you. Interesting topic.

I would say Jason Terry or Avery Johnson.

Terry Cummings could be another one. Fixture on the 80s Bucks which finished over .500 every year he was here and then in 1990 joins the Spurs along with Robinson to lead one of the greatest turnarounds in history. Hangs out there for the remainder of his prime and then has one final season on the 97 Sonics before he’s too old to be relevant.

Dr Spaceman wrote:Terry Cummings could be another one. Fixture on the 80s Bucks which finished over .500 every year he was here and then in 1990 joins the Spurs along with Robinson to lead one of the greatest turnarounds in history. Hangs out there for the remainder of his prime and then has one final season on the 97 Sonics before he’s too old to be relevant.

Didn't he start with the Clippers too though?

Perhaps an obvious choice because he is one of the greatest PG’s of all time, but Jason Kidd’s teams made the playoffs with almost stunning regularity. He didn’t make the playoffs in his first two seasons, but then didn’t miss it in any year for the rest of his career. Nine 50 win seasons for 4 different franchises. Again, probably an obvious one.

penbeast0 wrote:

Dr Spaceman wrote:Terry Cummings could be another one. Fixture on the 80s Bucks which finished over .500 every year he was here and then in 1990 joins the Spurs along with Robinson to lead one of the greatest turnarounds in history. Hangs out there for the remainder of his prime and then has one final season on the 97 Sonics before he’s too old to be relevant.

Didn't he start with the Clippers too though?

Not necessarily saying players are barred from playing on bad teams, and Cummings also played on an awful MIL team between SAS and SEA. Just guys tha, yknow, pretty consistently show up high in the standings. I think it’s inevitable that during a long career youlll have some losing seasons.

I'd throw Rasheed Wallace out there. Was on those Portland teams that inexplicably won a lot of games. Seriously, winning 59 games in '00 and pushing the Lakers to 7 with basically just Sheed, Steve Smith and ghost of Scottie Pippen is absurd; never won less than 46 games sans the lockout year.

After that he went to an overachieving Detroit team that won over 50 games every year he was there except the last. After that he joins the big three in Boston and wins 54 games. Then moonlights on a 54 win Knick team.

Considering the talent level on those teams, he definitely fits the mold

Timmaytime wrote:I'd throw Rasheed Wallace out there. Was on those Portland teams that inexplicably won a lot of games. Seriously, winning 59 games in '00 and pushing the Lakers to 7 with basically just Sheed, Steve Smith and ghost of Scottie Pippen is absurd; never won less than 46 games sans the lockout year.

After that he went to an overachieving Detroit team that won over 50 games every year he was there except the last. After that he joins the big three in Boston and wins 54 games. Then moonlights on a 54 win Knick team.

Considering the talent level on those teams, he definitely fits the mold

I agree in his best years Sheed is a good fit for this list. The problem I have is that he also had a lot of years in his career where his teams underachieved because Sheed had serious issues to deal with. The lost years in Portland to me are enough of an underachievement to keep him from this list, even if his highs were high, and let’s not forget his stock was so low in one season he was traded twice in one season for basically scraps.

Avery Bradley

Timmaytime wrote:I'd throw Rasheed Wallace out there. Was on those Portland teams that inexplicably won a lot of games. Seriously, winning 59 games in '00 and pushing the Lakers to 7 with basically just Sheed, Steve Smith and ghost of Scottie Pippen is absurd; never won less than 46 games sans the lockout year.

After that he went to an overachieving Detroit team that won over 50 games every year he was there except the last. After that he joins the big three in Boston and wins 54 games. Then moonlights on a 54 win Knick team.

Considering the talent level on those teams, he definitely fits the mold

I’m pretty sure people thought much more highly of the 2000 blazers at the time.