Where would 2006 Wade Rank Today?

Matt15 · Post #1 » by **Matt15** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:40 pm

Where would 2006 Wade Rank today among guards and overall?

ardee · Post #2 » by **ardee** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:11 pm

I would say 4. Based off the RS so far, LeBron, Harden and Curry are better.

rebirthoftheM · Post #3 » by **rebirthoftheM** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:52 pm

Top 2, just behind Lebron.

Zasterror · Post #4 » by **Zasterror** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:33 pm

Top 3 for sure. LeBron and MAAAAYBE Harden are definitively better due to their season so far but when the Playoffs come around, I wouldn't take no one but Wade.

mihail_petkov · Post #5 » by **mihail_petkov** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:51 pm

I would take LeBron, Curry, Harden, KD for sure. I am not sure he is better than Giannis or Kawhi (depends on health) too.

There is a myth about Wade 06 being a GOAT level season. I would say 06 RS Wade would probably be top 7-10 player today.

RS: 25.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 6.3 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.7 bpg, 115 ORTG, 103 DRTG, 27.6 PER, 57.7% TS, 0.239 WS/48, 7.5 BPM, 7.0 VORP, +15.2 on/off
PS: 24.6 ppg, 5.10 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.9 spg, 1.0 bpg, 115 ORTG, 100 DRTG, 26.9 PER, 59.3% TS, 0.240 WS/48, 8.9 BPM, 2.6 VORP, +22.2 on/off

His playoffs were good but we can't compare them, it's too early. Even though he was better in the PS than in the RS, I would take top 4 before him without thinking twice.

mischievous · Post #6 » by **mischievous** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:07 pm

Regular season, he would be merely top 5. With playoffs, i’d take only Lebron ahead. Guys like Harden, Giannis etc haven’t proven to play on Wade’s level in the playoffs.

bizil · Post #7 » by **bizil** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:02 am

He would be top 3-5 in the world. And battling with Harden for SG supremacy. It would come down to D Wade's superior two ability vs. Harden's edge in shooting. Wade in comparison to Curry would be a similar type deal. So at best, he would be #3 only behind Bron and KD overall. And arguably the best guard in the world period. With Harden and Curry having a case due to their shooting ability.

mischievous · Post #8 » by **mischievous** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:21 am

bizil wrote:He would be top 3-5 in the world. And battling with Harden for SG supremacy. It would come down to D Wade's superior two ability vs. Harden's edge in shooting. Wade in comparison to Curry would be a similar type deal. So at best, he would be #3 only behind Bron and KD overall. And arguably the best guard in the world period. With Harden and Curry having a case due to their shooting ability.

Kd would not be clearly superior to Wade.

bizil · Post #9 » by **bizil** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:52 am

mischievous wrote:
bizil wrote:He would be top 3-5 in the world. And battling with Harden for SG supremacy. It would come down to D Wade's superior two ability vs. Harden's edge in shooting. Wade in comparison to Curry would be a similar type deal. So at best, he would be #3 only behind Bron and KD overall. And arguably the best guard in the world period. With Harden and Curry having a case due to their shooting ability.

Kd would not be clearly superior to Wade.

With KD's evolution in his all around game plus his shooting ability at 7'0, I would take KD over 2006 Wade at this point. BOTH are Mt Rushmore type players at their respective positions. But I see the case for 2006 Wade over KD even though I disagree.

JordansBulls · Post #10 » by **JordansBulls** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:03 am

In the regular season top 5 like he was in 2006 but once you factor the playoffs and winning, then best Player for sure

Sign5 · Post #11 » by **Sign5** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:58 am

Top 3 for sure.

Ron Swanson · Post #12 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:27 pm

If we're taking into account expected playoff performance then the only player I'd even consider taking over him is Lebron.

ccameron · Post #13 » by **ccameron** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:54 pm

mihail_petkov wrote:I would take LeBron, Curry, Harden, KD for sure. I am not sure he is better than Giannis or Kawhi (depends on health) too.

There is a myth about Wade 06 being a GOAT level season. I would say 06 RS Wade would probably be top 7-10 player today.

RS: 25.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 6.3 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.7 bpg, 115 ORTG, 103 DRTG, 27.6 PER, 57.7% TS, 0.239 WS/48, 7.5 BPM, 7.0 VORP, +15.2 on/off
PS: 24.6 ppg, 5.10 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.9 spg, 1.0 bpg, 115 ORTG, 100 DRTG, 26.9 PER, 59.3% TS, 0.240 WS/48, 8.9 BPM, 2.6 VORP, +22.2 on/off

His playoffs were good but we can't compare them, it's too early. Even though he was better in the PS than in the RS, I would take top 4 before him without thinking twice.

Why are you using per 36 minute stats and calling it "ppg" and "apg," etc.? Do know his averages were higher than those numbers? I find it hard to believe you can come up with 7, let alone 10 players today that you would take over '06 Wade.

walk with me · Post #14 » by **walk with me** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:58 pm

2nd

If Westbrook just won mvp
And harden is in line to win mvp

I’d take prime wade over both guys

ccameron · Post #15 » by **ccameron** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:24 pm

I think he would be anywhere from 2-5, but probably 2 or 3. The only guys that have a case are Lebron, Harden, Curry, and KD. In the playoffs, though, as other people mentioned, I don't take anyone over '06 Wade.

Lebron: He definitely does not have the athleticism he had before, but his IQ at this stage of his career is better than ever, and he is shooting from outside better than ever. It's quite incredible. If he keeps up his shooting % for the whole season, and assuming he plays well in the playoffs (and there is no reason to think he won't play well in the playoffs), it's a safe bet to take '18 Lebron over '06 Wade. That's a crazy statement that I could not have imagined saying 3 years ago, it's incredible that he has not dropped off yet. Now I think people exaggerate when they say this is his best season. His defense is far removed from what it used to be night in and night out. But it's still very impressive. I think it has to be mentioned, however, that Lebron has had a team built specifically around Lebron's unique talents. Stars like Kwahi and Harden are always mentioned as players who benefit from a system, and no one seems to apply this to Lebron, because in a sense he IS the system. But nevertheless, it is a luxury that few players have had. No doubt part of Lebron's greatness is due to the fact that he has right now exactly the kind of players he wants around him. Wade, in my opinion, did not have that in '06 (or ever, really). It was a good team, a very defensive minded team, but not a team built exactly around Wade's talents. Also, people have been saying (absurdly, but people have been saying it) that 36 year old Wade has at times been the Cav's best defender. That isn't true. But if there is any reason that causes people to say this in 2017, imagine the difference of '06 Wade. I would still take Lebron, because his offense this season is absurd.

Harden: Statistically, Harden has been just as or more impressive than Lebron, and his team is playing incredibly well. He certainly has a case as well. What I like most about Harden this year is he is scoring more than ever even while getting to the line less. It shows he is a more versatile scorer than some people thought. I would still take '06 Wade over '18 Harden though. Harden does what he does better than anyone else, and he sticks to it, and it is paying off. But it is early in the season, and unlike Lebron, there is actually good reason to think Harden WON'T continue playing as well in the playoffs, but we'll see. At this point I wouldn't feel comfortable taking him over '06 Wade, who had one of the greatest postseason's ever. Wade is more of an all-around two-way player, who can beat you in more ways than Harden can. Harden is making a good case, but I'm not convinced at this point of the season.

Curry and Durant: I think Curry dropped off a little from his previous two seasons. Maybe he is just as good, and it's just a small sample size. I'd take 2016 Curry over '06 Wade, but judging so far this season, I'd take '06 Wade over '18 Curry. I think Curry is a little better of a player than KD, even though KD's stats are a little better, and for that reason I put '06 Wade above him too, but they are the same tier of a player.

Problem is part of what makes '06 Wade special is his playoffs, and we aren't close to seeing how nay of these guys perform in 2018 playoffs.

Jiminy Glick · Post #16 » by **Jiminy Glick** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:32 pm

Top 4, Antetokounmpo is better.

clyde21 · Post #17 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:27 pm

somewhere between 3 and 7.

eminence · Post #18 » by **eminence** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:47 pm

3-4, probably 3 as of now. Don't think he's as good as LeBron/Curry, don't put Harden quite up there yet though he has been extremely impressive, need a full season and a good playoff run to get to that very top level.

LivingLegend · Post #19 » by **LivingLegend** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:46 am

Right in that 3-4 spot behind LeBron and KD. Battling with Harden. I think people forget how good Wade was on defense which would put him in that 3 spot for most people. Harden might be the better pure scorer, but Wade would be the better all around player.

homecourtloss · Post #20 » by **homecourtloss** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:03 am

LeBron, Curry, Durant, Harden, Kawhi (likely), and Giannis are ahead of him. I think CP3 is tied with him.