Lebron vs Kobe vs MJ - NBA Clutch Stats

[Long2s]

This thread was originally posted in the GB. I have no idea why it was locked since a similar thread with far less stats has been running for 8 pages and is still running? Can I message a mod about this? I was told to "try the pc board".

Last 5 minutes, +-5, Playoffs

Clutch Stats from NBA.com:

https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/

Lebron

16-17: 5/19
15-16: 7/21
14-15: 11/36
13-14: 6/11
12-13: 11/25
11-12: 10/27
10-11: 15/38
09-10: 5/7
08-09: 10/19
07-08: 6/23
06-07: 19/36
05-06: 15/30

Total: 120/292
FG% 41

Kobe

11-12: 7/23
10-11: 3/12
09-10: 13/33
08-09: 14/34
07-08: 15/31
06-07: 2/3
05-06: 7/16
03-04: 7/25
02-03: 3/13
01-02: 13/33
00-01: 7/15
99-00: 10/17
98-99: 2/6
97-98: 2/2
96-97: 2/7

Totals: 107/270
FG% 40

MJ

97-98: 22/50
96-97: 20/39

Totals: 42/89
FG% 47

Last 5 minutes, +-5, Finals Only

MJ

97-98: 9/23 FG 31/40 FT
96-97: 10/20 FG 14/17 FT


Totals: 19/43 FG 45/57 FT
FG% 44
FT% 79

Kobe

09-10: 1/6
08-09: 7/20
01-02: 2/5
00-01: 4/8
99-00: 6/10

Totals: 20/49
FG% 41

Lebron

16-17: 0/3
15-16: 1/5
14-15: 3/17
13-14: 1/2
12-13: 5/13
11-12: 4/7
10-11: 0/7
06-07: 3/8

Totals: 17/62
FG% 27

Last 2 minutes, +-3, Playoffs

Lebron

16-17: 1/4
15-16: 2/8
14-15: 4/15
13-14: 0/1
12-13: 4/8
11-12: 4/12
10-11: 6/15
09-10: 1/1
08-09: 3/6
07-08: 2/9
06-07: 9/17
05-06: 3/9

Totals: 39/105
FG% 37

Kobe

11-12: 1/10
10-11: 1/2
09-10: 6/11
08-09: 5/11
07-08: 3/5
06-07: 1/1
05-06: 5/7
03-04: 4/11
02-03: 0/5
01-02: 3/13
00-01: 2/3
99-00: 6/9
98-99: 1/3
97-98: 0/0
96-97: 1/4

Totals: 39/95
FG% 41

MJ

97-98: 17/38
96-97: 7/21

Totals: 24/59
FG% 41

Last 2 minutes, +-3, Finals only

MJ

97-98: 4/10
96-97: 3/7

Totals: 7/17
FG% 41

Kobe

09-10: 1/2
08-09: 1/5
01-02: 1/2
00-01: 1/2
99-00: 4/6

Totals: 8/17
FG% 47

Lebron

16-17: 0/1
15-16: 0/1
14-15: 0/6
13-14: 0/0
12-13: 2/4
11-12: 1/4
10-11: 0/5
06-07: 1/2

Totals: 4/23
FG% 17

[Dipper 13]

Last 5 minutes, +-5, Playoffs

Clutch Stats from NBA.com:

https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/

Lebron

Total: 120/292
FG% 41


Kobe

Totals: 107/270
FG% 40


MJ

97-98: 22/50
96-97: 20/39

Totals: 42/89
FG% 47

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Jordan Totals (Not including '97 & '98)

124/230 (53.9%)

[CoffeeCakez]

Great work Long2s!!

This data will be more substantial (not saying its insufficient as it is) if you add FT shooting and true shooting % into the mix like this guy did:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6lhlcj/kobe_vs_lebron_in_clutch_situations/

oh and I made it my sig too

[JordansBulls]

Good stuff!!

[CoffeeCakez]

It's also amazing to see that in 99-00 kobe went 4/6 in the last 2 minutes with a margin of 3 points in the damn FINALS!

and posters on here will swear that shaq carried him

[bledredwine]

Holy crap. Jordan went 51/82 from 90-92? That's what, 62% for a three year stretch of 5 minute clutch play? Berserk.

[1993Playoffs]

It's also amazing to see that in 99-00 kobe went 4/6 in the last 2 minutes with a margin of 3 points in the damn FINALS!

and posters on here will swear that shaq carried him

Well Shaq was the best lakers player in 00,01,02,04 finals by many many miles sooo

[bledredwine]

It's also amazing to see that in 99-00 kobe went 4/6 in the last 2 minutes with a margin of 3 points in the damn FINALS!

and posters on here will swear that shaq carried him

Well Shaq was the best lakers player in 00,01,02,04 finals by many many miles sooo

Well that's an exaggeration. I wouldn't say that seeing as Lebron admitted Kobe was a better player and was amazed by him in 2008. Does that mean Shaq was way way better than him as well? Let's respect great players.

[CoffeeCakez]

It's also amazing to see that in 99-00 kobe went 4/6 in the last 2 minutes with a margin of 3 points in the damn FINALS!

and posters on here will swear that shaq carried him

Well Shaq was the best lakers player in 00,01,02,04 finals by many many miles sooo

I'm getting tired of doing this but here goes again:

2001 playoffs
kobe: 29.4 ppg, 7.3 rebs, 6.1 apg
shaq: 30.4 ppg, 15.4 rebs, 3 apg

2002 playoffs
kobe: 26.6 ppg, 5.4 rebs, 4.6 apg
shaq: 28.5 ppg, 12.6 rebs

2003 playoffs
kobe: 32.1 ppg, 5.1 rebs, 5.2 apg
shaq: 27 ppg, 14.8 rebs

2004 playoffs
kobe: 24.5 ppg, 4.7 rebs, 5.5 apg
shaq: 21.5 ppg, 13.2 rebs

oh yeah bro, shaq was MILES BETTER

[1993Playoffs]

It's also amazing to see that in 99-00 kobe went 4/6 in the last 2 minutes with a margin of 3 points in the damn FINALS!

and posters on here will swear that shaq carried him

Well Shaq was the best lakers player in 00,01,02,04 finals by many many miles sooo

Well that's an exaggeration. I wouldn't say that seeing as Lebron admitted Kobe was a better player and was amazed by him in 2008. Does that mean Shaq was way way better than him as well? Let's respect great players.

But Shaq was much better than Kobe in all those finals, Shaq and MJ are the the GOAT finals performers imo, Kobe has actually been pretty subpar in the finals for his career, i respect all those great players just stating what i saw

[CoffeeCakez]

Well Shaq was the best lakers player in 00,01,02,04 finals by many many miles sooo

Well that's an exaggeration. I wouldn't say that seeing as Lebron admitted Kobe was a better player and was amazed by him in 2008. Does that mean Shaq was way way better than him as well? Let's respect great players.

But Shaq was much better than Kobe in all those finals, Shaq and MJ are the the GOAT finals performers imo, Kobe has actually been pretty subpar in the finals for his career, i respect all those great players just stating what i saw

He may have had the better statline points and rebs wise but that was because he was going against much inferior centers with the exception of mutombi in the 01 series against philly.
Indiana: rick smits (lol)
NJ: Todd MacCulloch (who? )

obviously lakers wanted to exploit the mismatches and use shaq in those match ups. by the way who was the guy hitting clutch shots when the game was tight at the end? it wasnt shaq

[LeBird]

Where are the other stats? Rebounds, assists, etc?

Here's a stat for you: only one of these guys came back from 3-1 down against a 73 win team in the NBA finals leading both teams in every major statistical category. Hint: it's not Kobe or Jordan.

[LeBird]

it's a fake narrative that came from Skip Bayless and these people who are obsessed with hero ball/volume over making the right play/eff that was easily debunkable.






LeBron May Be The Most Clutch Playoff Shooter Of His Generation

Relative to the league-wide average, James generated 4.8 more total points than expected on his go-ahead shots, which translates to about one entire playoff win beyond what an average shooter would have contributed from the same field-goal distances. And those numbers become magnified when you consider that James’s average go-ahead shot came in a playoff game with championship implications 34 percent greater than the typical postseason contest. After we weight by the leverage of his specific game-winning shot attempts, James generated the equivalent3 of 8.5 more points than expected, or roughly two playoff wins above average, with his clutch end-of-game shooting alone.

(By contrast, Bryant generated 3.2 fewer points than expected and did it in games that were about 64 percent more important than the average playoff game, compounding the damage of his 1-for-10 performance.)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebron-may-be-the-most-clutch-playoff-shooter-of-his-generation/

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[Zeitgeister]

It's also amazing to see that in 99-00 kobe went 4/6 in the last 2 minutes with a margin of 3 points in the damn FINALS!

and posters on here will swear that shaq carried him

Well Shaq was the best lakers player in 00,01,02,04 finals by many many miles sooo

I'm getting tired of doing this but here goes again:

2001 playoffs
kobe: 29.4 ppg, 7.3 rebs, 6.1 apg
shaq: 30.4 ppg, 15.4 rebs, 3 apg

2002 playoffs
kobe: 26.6 ppg, 5.4 rebs, 4.6 apg
shaq: 28.5 ppg, 12.6 rebs

2003 playoffs
kobe: 32.1 ppg, 5.1 rebs, 5.2 apg
shaq: 27 ppg, 14.8 rebs

2004 playoffs
kobe: 24.5 ppg, 4.7 rebs, 5.5 apg
shaq: 21.5 ppg, 13.2 rebs

oh yeah bro, shaq was MILES BETTER

I noticed that the 2000 playoffs are missing, why?

[Long2s]

Where are the other stats? Rebounds, assists, etc?

Here's a stat for you: only one of these guys came back from 3-1 down against a 73 win team in the NBA finals leading both teams in every major statistical category. Hint: it's not Kobe or Jordan.

(image for illustrative purpose)

[CoffeeCakez]

Well Shaq was the best lakers player in 00,01,02,04 finals by many many miles sooo

I'm getting tired of doing this but here goes again:

2001 playoffs
kobe: 29.4 ppg, 7.3 rebs, 6.1 apg
shaq: 30.4 ppg, 15.4 rebs, 3 apg

2002 playoffs
kobe: 26.6 ppg, 5.4 rebs, 4.6 apg
shaq: 28.5 ppg, 12.6 rebs

2003 playoffs
kobe: 32.1 ppg, 5.1 rebs, 5.2 apg
shaq: 27 ppg, 14.8 rebs

2004 playoffs
kobe: 24.5 ppg, 4.7 rebs, 5.5 apg
shaq: 21.5 ppg, 13.2 rebs

oh yeah bro, shaq was MILES BETTER

I noticed that the 2000 playoffs are missing, why?

because I acknowledge that shaq was dominant and performed miles better than anyone in the playoffs including kobe but not in 01-04.

[Long2s]

Loving the sig!

"Gang of 27" should be our crew name.

[CoffeeCakez]

Where are the other stats? Rebounds, assists, etc?

Here's a stat for you: only one of these guys came back from 3-1 down against a 73 win team in the NBA finals leading both teams in every major statistical category. Hint: it's not Kobe or Jordan.

yea how can we forget he baited draymond to a suspension by stepping over him. Oh and who hit the go ahead 3 pt shot in game 7? hint: it wasnt lebron

[1993Playoffs]

Well that's an exaggeration. I wouldn't say that seeing as Lebron admitted Kobe was a better player and was amazed by him in 2008. Does that mean Shaq was way way better than him as well? Let's respect great players.

But Shaq was much better than Kobe in all those finals, Shaq and MJ are the the GOAT finals performers imo, Kobe has actually been pretty subpar in the finals for his career, i respect all those great players just stating what i saw

He may have had the better statline points and rebs wise but that was because he was going against much inferior centers with the exception of mutombi in the 01 series against philly.
Indiana: rick smits (lol)
NJ: Todd MacCulloch (who? )

obviously lakers wanted to exploit the mismatches and use shaq in those match ups. by the way who was the guy hitting clutch shots when the game was tight at the end? it wasnt shaq

Well using this logic Kobe was only allowed to go off vs the spurs in 01 because Shaq was covered by Tim Duncan and David Robinson while Kobe was guarded by Antonio Daniels (Lol) , Kobe's main defender was injured in 01 (Derek Anderson)

[CoffeeCakez]

Loving the sig!

"Gang of 27" should be our crew name.

I'm with it