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#3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:15 pm
by Gibson22
We vote the #3 best defensive shooting guard of all time.
EVERYBODY CAN PARTECIPATE.

1. Jason Kidd
2.Walt Frazier
3. Gary Payton
4. Dennis Johnson
5. Jerry West
6. John Stockton
7. Chris Paul
8. Mookie Blaylock
9. Nate McMillan
10. Mo Cheeks

Shooting Guards:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Sidney Moncrief

And this is where it started
Idea

And this is where we listed the candidates. I opened a poll where butler, thabo, andre roberson and dan majerle came out as SGs. Iguodala, Bowen, Stepehn Jackson are SFs

Candidates list



these are the candidates



Bill Sharman (Washington Capitols, 1951/1961, All-Def teams didn’t exist)

Tom Gola (Philadelphia Warriors, San Francisco Warriors, Knicks, 1956/1966 All-Def teams didn’t exist)

Jerry Sloan (Bullets, Bulls, 1966/1976, X6 All-Defensive)

Don Chaney (Lakers, St.Louis Spirits, 1969/1980, X5 All-Defensive)

Lionel Hollins (Blazers, 76ers, San Diego Clippers, Pistons, Rockets, 1976/1985, X2 All-Defensive)

Eddie Johnson (Hawks, Cavs, Supersonics, 1978/1987, X2 All-Defensive)

T.R. Dunn (Portland, Denver, Phoenix, 1978/1991, X3 All-Defensive)

Michael Cooper (Lakers, 1979-1990, X8 All-Defensive, X1 DPOY)

Fat Lever (Blazers, Nuggets, Mavs, 1983/1994, X1 All-Defensive)

Alvin Robertson (Spurs, Bucks, Pistons, Raptors, 1985/1996 X6 All-Defensive, X1 DPOY)

Joe Dumars (Pistons, 1986/1999, X5 All-Defensive)

Dan Majerle (Suns, Cavs, Heat, 1989/2002, X2 All-Defensive)

John Starks (Warriors, Knicks, Bulls, Jazz, 1989/2002, X1 All-Defensive)

Vernon Maxwell (Spurs, Rockets, 76ers, Magic, Hornets, Kings, SuperSonics, Mavs, 1989/2001)

Mitch Richmond (Warriors, Kings, Wizards, Lakers, 1989/2002)

Jaren Jackson Sr (Nets, Warriors, Clippers, Blazers, 76ers, Rockets, Bullets, Spurs, Magic, 1990/2002)

Nick Anderson (Magic, Kings, Grizzlies, 1990/2002)

Bobby Phills (Cavs, Hornets, 1992/2000, X1 All-Defensive)

Stacey Augmon (Hawks, Pistons, Blazers, Hornets, Magic, 1992/2006)

Latrell Sprewell (Warriors, Knicks, Timberwolves, 1993/2005, X1 All-Defensive)

Doug Christie (Lakers, Knicks, Raptors, Kings, Magic, Mavs, Clippers, 1993/2007, X4 All-Defensive)

Aaron Mckie (Blazers, Pistons, 76ers, Lakers, 1995/2007)

Eddie Jones (Lakers, Hornets, Heat, Grizzlies, Mavs, 1995/2008, X3 All-Defensive)

Kobe Bryant (Lakers, 1997/2016, X12 All-Defensive)

Raja Bell (76ers, Mavs, Jazz, Suns, Hornets, Warrios, 2001-2012, X2 All-Defensive)

Manu Ginobili (Spurs, 2003/2018)

Wade (Heat, Bulls, Cavs, 2004/2018, X3 All-Defensive)

Tony Allen (Celtics, Grizzlies, Pelicans, 2005/2018, X6 All-Defensive)

Thabo Sefolosha (Bulls, OKC, Atlanta, Utah, 2007/2018, X1 All-Defensive)

Danny Green (Cavs, Spurs, 2010/2018, X1 All-Defensive)

Avery Bradley (Celtics, Pistons, Clippers, 2011/2018, X2 All-Defensive)

Jimmy Butler (Bulls, Timberwolves, 2012/2018, X4 All-Defensive)

Klay Thompson (Warriors, 2012/2018, X1 All-Defensive)

Victor Oladipo (Orlando, Okc, Indiana, 2014/2018, X1 All-Defensive)

Marcus smart (Boston Celtics, 2015/2018)

Andre Roberson (OKC, 2015/2018, X1 All-Defensive)

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:20 pm
by Gibson22
Rules of the project:
1) As you can see, this is a project about the ten best defenders in each position. In this ranking, like in any ranking of this genre, we consider the entire career or the players. Now, if you tend to give more importance to peak, prime, longevity, level of defense in higher level teams, or any other type of criteria, you can obviously do it.
The point of the thread is not "Who are the ten best players at defending ROLE X (in this case, at defending PGs)", the point is "Who are the ten players considered as ROLE X who are the best at defense"? Now, if you view the fact that a certain player considered in a certain role in certain seasons defended more ROLE Y players as a minus in this ranking, I don't know how that makes sense, but nobody can decide for you.

2) For the players whose role is not certain, we settle it before moving on with the next position. We did it before the PGs rankings, we will do for every other position.

3) You have 48 hours since the start of the thread to express your vote (preferably bolded), at the end of the 48 hours, the player who has more votes wins. Anybody can vote. If at the end of the 48 hours two or more players have the same amount of votes, we proceed with a run-off. The run-off will last for 15 hours. Anybody BUT the members who already voted for one of the partecipants in the run-off can express his vote in the run-off. If, at the end of the 15 hours, there still are tied candidates, the first player to have other 3 votes will win the run-off. Late votes were never counted and will never be.

If you need any other claryification, just tell me.

Thank you guys for your partecipation

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:23 pm
by Gibson22
Hi guys, if anybody wants me to stop notificating him about the project, please tell me
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Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:27 pm
by Goudelock
lebron3-14-3 wrote:..


Please stop notifying me. As interesting as this project sounds, I simply don't have the time to contribute to it.

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:28 pm
by Dr Positivity
Vote Tony Allen

Voted for him last time. Statistical and visual evidence of more dominant impact than the other candidates here

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:30 pm
by Gibson22
I'm surprised that Michael Cooper got #1 vote at this point. I tought he had a chance to be #1

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:35 pm
by bondom34
lebron3-14-3 wrote:Hi guys, if anybody wants me to stop notificating him about the project, please tell me

Same, please stop notifying. I don't know enough historically to comfortably vote.

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:35 pm
by cecilthesheep
It was a tough, tough decision between him and Michael Cooper, but my third-place vote goes to Tony Allen. His minutes are low, but impact stats LOVE him, and he is alone among a lot of these players in that his defense is pretty much the only reason he stays on the court at all. I wish I could put him and Cooper in a tie for third, but since I have to choose, I'm going with Allen.

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:38 pm
by cecilthesheep
lebron3-14-3 wrote:I'm surprised that Michael Cooper got #1 vote at this point. I tought he had a chance to be #1

I've been within inches of voting for him each time, but his combination of relatively low minutes and underwhelming advanced impact stats (neither PIPM nor WOWYR seem to love him) lost him some tiebreakers, this one being the closest. I'll likely be voting him fourth.

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:45 pm
by ElectricMayhem
Same as last time, Tony Allen is my vote.

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:48 pm
by mdonnelly1989
I wish their were votes to see how close this was. IMO

1A. Tony Allen
1B. MJ
1C. Moncrief

Then slight gap

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:04 am
by GYK
Alvin Robertson very easily

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:12 am
by Samurai
My vote is for Michael Cooper. He was a 5-time NBA Add-Defensive first team member and 3 times on the second team, winning DPOY in 87. He used a combination of length and foot speed to defend the other team's best player, such as Jordan, Dominique, Dr. J, or Bird. His versatility allowed him to defend PG's, SG's, or forwards.

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:30 am
by OdomFan
Joe Dumars

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:47 am
by Lost92Bricks
It should be Tony Allen, but you guys penalized Nate McMillan in the thread for PG's because he didn't play enough minutes...

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:19 am
by bledredwine
Voting Michael Cooper

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:02 am
by Gibson22
Voting tony allen: already explained my reasoning, but basically in my opinion it is between him and cooper, I have tony as the best and at this point especially nobody has a lot more minutes than him between contenders

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:18 am
by the_process
lebron3-14-3 wrote:Hi guys, if anybody wants me to stop notificating him about the project, please tell


Please stop notifying me. Thanks.

Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:03 am
by Ryoga Hibiki
bondom34 wrote:
lebron3-14-3 wrote:Hi guys, if anybody wants me to stop notificating him about the project, please tell me

Same, please stop notifying. I don't know enough historically to comfortably vote.
pls stop, thx

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Re: #3 Best Defensive Shooting Guard of all time - The ten best defenders in each position project

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:11 am
by iggymcfrack
Going with Tony Allen. Has the best metrics of the metrics era, and has better awards than any serious candidate other than Cooper where it’s still close. If Cooper doesn’t fare great by the primitive impact stats we had in the ‘80s, I think you’ve gotta take Allen.
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