Do you see Curry-LeBron as this generation's Bird-Magic rivalry?
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Not really a rivalry when Curry is up 3-1.
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Not really a rivalry when LeBron is easily better.
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Nope. More like James vs the Warriors.
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HeartBreakKid wrote:Nope. More like James vs the Warriors.
This is actually more accurate to be honest. Curry and Lebron are just two completely different animals and it just doesn't make sense to compare them that way.
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I have never felt a Curry-Lebron rivalry. I did feel a Lebron-Durant rivalry during their Miami/OKC tenure.
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HeartBreakKid wrote:Nope. More like James vs the Warriors.
Yep. The Warriors inspired LeBron to get better. LeBron inspired the Warriors to get Durant.
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Jaivl wrote:Not really a rivalry when LeBron is easily better.
Agreed.
This rivalry reminds me of Jordan and any other player that played from 87-98. Perhaps Jordan/Barkley or Jordan/Malone.
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jg77 wrote:Not really a rivalry when Curry is up 3-1.
How is that much different from Magic being up 2-1?
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Franco wrote:jg77 wrote:Not really a rivalry when Curry is up 3-1.
How is that much different from Magic being up 2-1?
Not the same. Lakers vs Celtics were competitive series with two stacked teams vs each other.
Cavs vs Warriors was good when it was 1-1. Drama, injuries, teams that were at least comparable even tough the Warriors were the better team.
Durant came in and ruined it. Then Kyrie left Cleveland and ruined it even more.
Lakers vs Celtics had people questioning the final outcome. In 3 of the 4 years we knew the Warriors were gonna win, even with LeBron winning 2 games in 15 I think nobody actually believed Cleveland could win those finals with TT vs Green, JR vs Klay, Delly vs Curry...
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jg77 wrote:Not really a rivalry when Curry is up 3-1.
yes but lebron has been the clear-cut best player in those 4 finals and he forced curry to recruit another top 3 player in his prime to join his 73 win team because he couldn't get past him with his already historically stacked team, maybe if durant didn't join we could have had something special.
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HeartBreakKid wrote:Nope. More like James vs the Warriors.
This is 100% how I see it.
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Wilt vs Russell
Lebron = Stat heavy superstar who has playoff lapses
Curry = Superstar who plays one side of the court, and on a stacked team.
Lebron = Stat heavy superstar who has playoff lapses
Curry = Superstar who plays one side of the court, and on a stacked team.
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Every matchup they’ve had James has shown he’s the superior player and it isn’t close.
“I’m not the fastest guy on the court, but I can dictate when the race begins.”
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Dr Spaceman wrote:Every matchup they’ve had James has shown he’s the superior player and it isn’t close.
A superior one-on-one player who can fill the box score maybe but not a superior player. Interestingly enough the series that shows people don't know how to look at it right is the series the Warriors lost. Despite LeBron—and Kyrie!—dominating the stats and posting top 10 all-time finals career ppg averages, it still took the Cavaliers up to the last minutes of game 7 to put it away. Steph's full influence on the game simply isn't captured well in the traditional numbers.
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Hawk wrote:I have never felt a Curry-Lebron rivalry. I did feel a Lebron-Durant rivalry during their Miami/OKC tenure.
Prior to joining GSW, Durant was 4-17 (including playoffs) in head-to-head matchups with Lebron, including 0-8 after LeBron rejoined the Cavaliers. If it was a rivalry, LeBron was crushing it.
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WarriorGM wrote:Dr Spaceman wrote:Every matchup they’ve had James has shown he’s the superior player and it isn’t close.
A superior one-on-one player who can fill the box score maybe but not a superior player. Interestingly enough the series that shows people don't know how to look at it right is the series the Warriors lost. Despite LeBron—and Kyrie!—dominating the stats and posting top 10 all-time finals career ppg averages, it still took the Cavaliers up to the last minutes of game 7 to put it away. Steph's full influence on the game simply isn't captured well in the traditional numbers.
I won’t get into Curry vs. LeBron because you’ve got a loooooooong uphill battle to convince people Steph is better. You’re welcome to try.
But the bolded. People need to stop saying this. By PER, Curry has the #8 best season of all time and two more in the top 60. He has the 9th and 20th best season ever by WS/48. He has the #1, #3, and #9 best season ever by OBPM.
It’s actually quite apparent from the box score how dominant he is. Very easy to jsut look at his usage and efficiency and conclude he’s a top 5 offensive player ever because all the composite box score metrics seem to.
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Dr Spaceman wrote:WarriorGM wrote:Dr Spaceman wrote:Every matchup they’ve had James has shown he’s the superior player and it isn’t close.
A superior one-on-one player who can fill the box score maybe but not a superior player. Interestingly enough the series that shows people don't know how to look at it right is the series the Warriors lost. Despite LeBron—and Kyrie!—dominating the stats and posting top 10 all-time finals career ppg averages, it still took the Cavaliers up to the last minutes of game 7 to put it away. Steph's full influence on the game simply isn't captured well in the traditional numbers.
I won’t get into Curry vs. LeBron because you’ve got a loooooooong uphill battle to convince people Steph is better. You’re welcome to try.
But the bolded. People need to stop saying this. By PER, Curry has the #8 best season of all time and two more in the top 60. He has the 9th and 20th best season ever by WS/48. He has the #1, #3, and #9 best season ever by OBPM.
It’s actually quite apparent from the box score how dominant he is. Very easy to jsut look at his usage and efficiency and conclude he’s a top 5 offensive player ever because all the composite box score metrics seem to.
You still miss the full impact because there isn't a player like him previously to compare to. Steph is the most efficient high volume scorer ever. That efficency allows for certain things that aren't fully appreciated.
Even if he himself is stopped from scoring as often happens in more closely contested playoffs games, Steph's efficiency combined with his gravity allows him to pass and increase the efficiency of his teammates. LeBron even if harder to stop individually does not have the same room to distribute efficiency to his teammates. That's why he puts up the monster numbers in battles against Golden State. It is not only because he can, it's because he must to keep up with the efficient scoring of the Warriors since LeBron has been the most efficient scorer on his teams. I don't think the box score fully captures the effect especially if you are only looking at Curry and not the team and the box score gives Curry no credit for his influence on his teammates.
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An Unbiased Fan wrote:Wilt vs Russell
Lebron = Stat heavy superstar who has playoff lapses
Curry = Superstar who plays one side of the court, and on a stacked team.
This words can only say someone who doesn't know anything about basketball, in both cases it's just extremely lazy and wrong approach.