freethedevil wrote:Thebox and 1 worked because, when it was used, curry had no other good shooters on the floor with him. Despite that he still hit 45. When he was with klay the warriors manged a 107 rating vs a defense that reduced their playoff opponent offence at rates rivaling any team not named the pistons.
1. this is implying they played the box and one the whole game. They started playing it in the last 5 minutes and the warriors just stoped scoring completely. Saying he still hit 45 doesent make sense because he wasnt scoring when they started using it that game
2. you dont understand what im saying. Its not "the box and one counters curry" its "the coach had to make the team had to adjust" the box and one is one of the easiest zones to beat, the fact that they recognized it and couldnt attack it for 5 minutes is pretty suprising, but tbf kerr wouldnt have much experience with that
A few adjustments that could have been made
screen with the guy being man’d (Steph)
Cross screen on either bottom w/opposite bottom spaced out
Pin in on a reversal for a shooter being guarded by the back line big
Split cut flare w/Steph as either guy
Etc. cranjis never wrong
There's a good argument for lebron being able to do okay under similar circumstances. But i really don't see who else you would expect to do better there offensively. Harden?
KD and kawhi are inferior playmakers and ball handlers. Lillard is worse playmaker and has an inferior interior game.
Under those circumstances i feel KD, lebron, kawhi, and harden would have done better. Its mot a "whose a better offensive player" its "who would have done better in that situation"
Im not saying "oh yeah they figured curry out" but the warriors needed to make simple adjustments that they didnt make, and curry needed those adjustments to be made. Lebron makes them himself, KD is KD, harden is in a system where the box and one wouldnt have worked, kawhi is kawhi.
You could bring up harden but we saw him and the rockets offence do far worse against the jazz than ccurry did against the warriors.
Comparing what the jazz did and the box and one Zone doesent make sense. Harden does have weaknesses in his offensive game that can be exploited (reliance on foul hunting and a underwhelming inbetween game).
Quite frankly, the notion that curry can't excel with the ball in his hands seems baseless.
Didnt say that. He struggles to create offense on his own because his isolation scoring ability against non mismatches isnt as good as the other top 5 offensive players in the league, and he doesent have as many mismatches to exploit which is why he struggles against switchable bigs.
Yes, there are obviously ways for him to create mismatches but there are times when he struggles to create offense when he doesent get one, and when his three isnt on nuclear mode
He did admittedly struggle againstlebron james, otherwise he's been extremely effective vs double teams and hard traps, which are literally set because of how dangerous he is in isolation.
Wait what? If your talking about the way they guard him on screens its because you cant give him daylight in a screen cuz he'll just pullup.
The factof the matter was when choosing between the best mid range scorer of all time(kd) and curry, ty lue chose to double curry. And it's not because durant's a better passer or ballhandler(game 2 vs the clippers put that to rest)
Blitzing on a screen isnt doubling him in the same sense of if he gets the ball double off the catch. You pretty much have to blitz or switch against curry off of screens, i dont see how thats a negative lol
I dont understand what youre trying to argue. I never said "curry cant succeed with the ball in his hands" but there are clearly ways to stifle him that continue to stifle him unless his coach adjusts. There are very few players this isnt true for. I never said he was a system player or that he isnt good with the ball in his hands.
But in isolation if you dont have time to get a mismatch or even run any action and your going against, lets say a Butler on defense, out of harden, lebron, kawhi, durant, and curry, who are you giving the ball to?
Curry is someone that can make actions within a system better or create new reads/options because of the attention he brings. Thats not a negative.
At the same time his ability to score against non mismatches (even though he is normally able to create a mismatch anyw) isnt at the same level as the other top offensive players
I never said that offsets what else he brings to the table. But he isnt an amazing bailout option when the offense gets stagnant, compared to the other top 5 offensive players in the league. That doesent mean hes inferior because he brings more to the table.