Jaivl wrote:thebigbird wrote:DatAsh wrote:Bill Russell wasn't a better basketball player than LeBron. Not even close. Dude would be a better Ben Wallace in today's game.
I disagree about Russell not being in the conversation. Maybe not for you, but he is for me, though I have Lebron slightly ahead.
Mind you, GOAT does not neccesarily mean "best player".
And 13 years (or more, due to current benefits) of "a better Wallace" (read: a quicker, longer, more intelligent, better on offense) is still hella good, considering Wallace's prime is like 60% as long and he came out #79 on the RealGM top 100.
What else would GOAT mean other than best player? When someone says player X is the greatest player of all time, that seems to mean best.. Russell has 11 championships, but the league only had 8 teams when he started and 14 when he finished. Those championships can't be judged equally to today's because for most of his career you only had to win one round to get to the Finals. Without the rings, he has no argument.