D'Angelo vs Devin Booker

[Revived]

They also understand that not all stats are equal. Players have different roles and responsibilities.

One of these players is leading a team to the postseason while the other is still figuring out if he is in NCAA or the NBA.

Context matters with statistics.

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How is DLO role different from booker?

One is the leading playmaker, scorer and leader of a young playoff team. One of them is a very fundamentally sound Point Guard.

The other isn't either of those.

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Why do you keep bringing up playoffs without realizing one plays in garbage called the East and the other one plays in a powerhouse called the West?

“All stats are not created equal”

Yeah, you’re damn right about that because of the disparity in conferences.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

They also understand that not all stats are equal. Players have different roles and responsibilities.

One of these players is leading a team to the postseason while the other is still figuring out if he is in NCAA or the NBA.

Context matters with statistics.

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How is DLO role different from booker?

One is the leading playmaker, scorer and leader of a young playoff team. One of them is a very fundamentally sound Point Guard.

The other isn't either of those.

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Sure , but playing in the East doesn't make you the better player. One player scorers more and at significantly more efficient rate while they playmake at the same rate. Defensively, DLO probably the lesser of two evils.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Player A: 25.5 pts, 6.8 ast, 4.2 reb, .572 TS%
Player B: 20.7 pts, 6.9 ast, 3.7 reb, .531 TS%

RealGM Player Comparisons forum: "Player B and it's not close". Every. Single. Time.

Some people just don't understand that "win-loss record" is a team stat.

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Rk            Player  Season  G  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV%  USG% OWS DWS  WS   WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1       Devin Booker 2018-19 57 19.0 .572 .333 .356  1.9 11.5  6.6 33.6  1.2  0.5 15.5  32.1 2.3 0.4 2.7    .064  3.1 -2.8 0.3  1.2
2    DAngelo Russell 2018-19 72 19.3 .531 .417 .134  2.0 10.9  6.5 40.8  1.9  0.7 13.2  31.5 2.1 2.2 4.3    .096  3.7 -0.7 2.9  2.7


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Rk            Player  Season  G   FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB  AST STL BLK TOV  PF   PTS ORtg DRtg
1       Devin Booker 2018-19 57 11.9 26.1 .456 2.8  8.7 .323 9.1 17.4 .522 7.9 9.3 .856 0.8 4.8 5.7  9.2 1.2 0.3 5.5 4.3  34.5  107  117
2    DAngelo Russell 2018-19 72 12.6 29.2 .432 4.5 12.2 .366 8.2 17.0 .480 3.1 3.9 .797 0.9 4.9 5.8 10.9 1.9 0.4 4.7 2.7  32.8  107  110


I also believe Booker is the better player, but posting 3 basic stats and then their TS% without any context isn't really helping your point.

Anyway, Booker is still a much better driver, finisher, actually gets to the line and historically hasn't been much difference in their shooting prowess. I expect Booker to become a lot better next season - while I'm not sure Russell will come scorching the earth on this floaters and mid-range game.

Difference is not big though.

Think the biggest difference is in offensive ceilings IMO. DLO has a 13% foul rate while finishing 54% around the rim. Vs Booker 36% foul rate and 64% around the rim. Booker has easier path of scaling up his offense.

[darmani]

Player A: 25.5 pts, 6.8 ast, 4.2 reb, .572 TS%
Player B: 20.7 pts, 6.9 ast, 3.7 reb, .531 TS%

RealGM Player Comparisons forum: "Player B and it's not close". Every. Single. Time.

Some people just don't understand that "win-loss record" is a team stat.

Player B didn't take off till December and plays 5 mins less per game.

In December Russell averaged 17.9 pts, 6.8 ast, 3.5 reb, .522 TS%. Yeah, he was red-hot

Oh and BTW, Booker had a surgery on his shooting hand a couple weeks before the season started and has been struggling with a hamstring injury whole year.

[Colbinii]

How is DLO role different from booker?

One is the leading playmaker, scorer and leader of a young playoff team. One of them is a very fundamentally sound Point Guard.

The other isn't either of those.

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Why do you keep bringing up playoffs without realizing one plays in garbage called the East and the other one plays in a powerhouse called the West?

“All stats are not created equal”

Yeah, you’re damn right about that because of the disparity in conferences.

The Nets are a much better basketball team than the Suns. Devin Booker has not had a big impact on the Suns, which is surprising given how bad that team is. You would think if Booker was having a positive impact and was a good player he would be crushing impact data. Generally speaking when a good player plays with bad teammates he looks great from statistical and impactful measures.

Cut the crap with the conferences. The east is closer to the West this year and it isnt like we are comparing the Nets to a playoff team [or even the Lakers/Timberwolves]. If you think the Nets would be the dumpster fire, G League franchise that some call the Phoenix Suns out West I recommend catching some Nets games [and DLo].

Ultimately this comes down to 2 players I'm not big on for NBA success. Neither has a wow factor or has shown me great promise.


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[In2ition]

It's Booker and it's not really that close. You can discount Booker's numbers because of the record of the Suns, but is it his fault that they didn't even have a backup level pg or pf on the roster last year? He's their sg, not their pg. Not having these 2 positions filled with even a semi competent player on the entire roster absolutely killed their season before it got started, but keep pushing this "Booker isn't a difference maker on a good team" narrative. I am pretty convinced that it won't age well, once the Suns put a competent team around him,(although when that happens is unclear).

[Crives]

Lol at reading these takes, funny how the roles reverses

[Hesh]

Lol at reading these takes, funny how the roles reverses

What have we learned from this thread? That you can't accurately judge a players individual impact on his teams ability to win without also considering that players team, ironically.

[3toheadmelo]

D-Lo is the better player and I don't think it's that close either, he's even a better defender than Booker.

[Warriors Analyst]

D-Lo is the better player and I don't think it's that close either, he's even a better defender than Booker.

That's a particularly wild take. Although I don't think last year's tank squad Warriors' team was a great environment to evaluate the defense of established players like DLo and Draymond, I can confidently say DLo was the worst defender I've seen in quite some time. And as a longtime Warriors fan I've seen some bad ones, including but not limited to disgruntled Monta Ellis, post-trade request Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, fat Baron, and prime Jamal Crawford -- next to Monta. DLo took the cake.