P.S. shaqs record with and without Kobe and Wade
Lakers record in total from 2000-04 (287-123 .700 win perceentage)
Lakers record with Shaq and Kobe both playing (2000-04 230-82)
(.731 win percentage)
Lakers record from 2000-04
With Kobe but no Shaq (23-26)
(.47% win percentage)
Lakers with Shaq but no Kobe (32-10) (.76% win percentage)
Lakers record without Shaq or Kobe
(2-5) (.285 win percentage)
04-08 Heat record with and without Shaq
03-04 before shaq arrives in Miami 42-40 Dwyane Wade misses 21 games
05) 53-20 with 6-3 without
06) 42-17 10-13 without *champs*
07) 25-15 with 19-23 without
120-52 70% winning percentage with 35-39 47% winning percentage without
So shaq didn’t have a problem winning without another superstar
Very nice stats but here's one to sum it up:
Shaq without a bona fide superstar as teammate: 0 rings.
Period. He needed a co-star to win (again, this isn't a knock on his greatness). Yet time and again, he fails to co-exist with his co-star (Penny, Kobe, Wade).
Shaq has never had success without a secondary star is Silly because throughout his prime he was never without a secondary star unless your talking about the 97-99 Lakers and honestly if you give them any kind of quality coach from Phil Jackson to Stan Van Gundry and theyd have been successful everyone from Magic Johnson to chick Hearn were complaining about the lack of adjustments made from game to game by Del Harris and from what we’ve seen of Kurt Rambis he seems like a worse coach. Also bringing up the 04 lakers pistons series you should check out what Chauncey had to say about Kobe.
If we single team shaq we know the lakers are going to give it to him every time in the first quarter Kobe will play nice second quarter still nice but you’ll start to see small changes and then by the third quarter if Kobe is not getting his shots we know he’ll throw the entire game plan out the window and we’ve got them right where we want them. ( that is off memory I’ll look for the exact quote and post it but essentially that’s exactly what he said.)
Yes, Kobe was selfish. So? Point was that Pistons knew Shaq's D sucks so they exploited it.
Point was what would happened if we replace Shaq with KG. Bottom-line was KG would had co-existed better with Kobe and likely to remain together till 2012 and competed.
Also I’d love to know how you’ve come to the conclusion that having issues with your other star leads to more success than with the last man on the roster as a matter of fact I’d argue I’d rather my leading man have good relationships with teammates 3-12 than his 1b because they are the ones that need to be motivated and/or lifted by their superstar if your lucky enough to have a second superstar chances are they don’t need to be coddled and don’t need to be led like the roster players do.