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1) Michael Jordan 1990-91

This one took a bit longer than expected, but the result weren't different than what was expected, Michael Jordan 1991 won that first place easily (more than doubled the second).
Now we move on to the second place. Remember, once a player gets elected, you can't vote him no more, so, Michael Jordan is gone, you can't vote MJ 1990, or 1989 etc. and REMEMBER: you can use your 3 ballots to vote for different seasons of the same player more than once, even all 3

The rules

Reasoning/statistical support is required for votes to be counted. A simple list of names will not be counted.
Window time for votings: 48 hours/thread.

THE VOTING SYSTEM:

Everyone gives their 1st-ballot choice, 2nd-ballot choice, and 3rd-ballot choice. I'll award 4,5 pts for a 1st ballot, 3 for a 2nd ballot, and 2 for a 3rd. Highest point-total wins the spot (24-hour run-off will then only be done in the unlikely event of a tie).

Players don't get credit for all the votes they receive in a round, we just count the votes (and the points) for the designated year. At the end of the 48 hours (not sure about that) the season that has most points wins. Other voted seasons of the winning player will get a mention.

So, you can use your 3 choices to vote for more than 1 season of the same player (if you think that the best 3 seasons among the players left belong all to the same player, nothing is stopping you from using all you 3 choices on that player), but you can't continue voting for other seasons of that player once he wins and gets his spot. The final list will be 1 season per player, with a mention of the other seasons of the winning player who received votes.

1. Lebron James 2013
2. Lebron James 2012
3. Wilt Chamberlain 1967

I think peak Heat Lebron has one of the best combinations of offense (driving, passing, post, basketball IQ, etc.) and is a superb defender. I prefer him to Cavs versions which are more athletic but less experienced and polished.

Wilt 67 is an amazing season as one of the best defending and passing Cs ever before even getting to his ultra elite passing, and crushes in the playoffs. I understand the arguments for Shaq I just think Wilt's defense is at a different level while providing a different type of offense (less scoring but great passing)

1. 2000 Shaquille O'Neal
2. 2013 LeBron James
3. 2016 LeBron James

Just my list from last round minus Jordan. Once one of these guys goes I'll go in depth again.

Just an O.T. 48 hours or more? The last thread was up for 82 hours because there were rules misunderstandings, but the real gm standard is 48, still we could stretch it up to something like.. 60 hours for the top 10 or so?

1. '67 Wilt - this was my pick from the last round & I see no reason to deviate from it.
2. '13 Lebron - this was my 3rd choice from the last round - still see no reason to deviate from it with MJ off the board.
3. '00 Shaq - very dominant, basically unstoppable - somewhat of a weakened era though.

I say we stick to 48 but if discussion is still going hold it another 24?

1. 16 Lebron- Orchestrated the greatest come back in NBA history, put on a show like none before him.
2. 13 Lebron- This was the most cerebral version of Lebron, definition of a perfect basketball player.
3. 03 Duncan- Absolute peak of the greatest pf ever, dude had amazing control of the game on both sides of the floor.

1. 09 LeBron
2. 17 LeBron
3. 00 O'Neal

LeBron has multiple arguable peak seasons and while I would usually side with the later, more polished, higher IQ years (13/17) in these cases, 09 LeBron's athleticism was just so dominant on both ends of the floor throughout the season that I can't really come up with an argument against it that is not heavily based around rings. 09 is LeBron's best statistical year and it was also his highest on court +/-, highest on-off net season. He came 2nd in DPOY in 09 just like in 13 but was far more deserving of that placing, with a 2.6 DRAPM and a dominant -7.7 on court rDRtg (compared to only 0.6 DRAPM and -2.6 rDRtg in 13). Even though he was less well-rounded, the end result still point to 09 being LeBron's best year.

Between LeBron's more well-rounded seasons, I have 17 above 13. Better RS in 13 but the playoffs was a disappointment. For a season where his value is heavily based on offense, he only put up 22/7/6 per 36 on 58.5% TS in the postseason. 17 LeBron's RS was solid (career highs in rebound, assists and dunks) and he took it to another level in the playoffs. LeBron averaged 33/9/8 on 65% TS, shot playoff career high 62.5% from 2s, 41.1% from 3s while leading a GOAT-level playoff offense and playing great defense all at the same time. He had an insane +30.7 on/off in the playoffs (Love +6.3, Kyrie +1.3), +17.1 on/off in the regular season (2nd best of his career behind 09) and the Cavs went 0-8 without him.

Shaq's defense is what separates 2000 from his other seasons but the Lakers were a mediocre defensive team in the playoffs. Shaq himself did not have a massive defensive on/off, which raises questions on how much of the Lakers' RS defensive improvement was due to better coaching from Phil Jackson lifting the team baseline as opposed to Shaq's own impact. The Lakers had one of the weakest championship runs in the modern NBA, which is kind of overlooked since Shaq destroyed Rik Smits and the Pacers in the Finals. All in all, 00 Shaq is still an all time peak but I think it is overrated because of the weak top end talent that season.

'62 Russell
'65 Russell
The defensive impact just dwarfs the overall impact of any other player in NBA history

13 LeBron -- because the modern basketball pool is both appreciably deeper and wider than ever in NBA history

1986 Larry Bird - was my pick in the #1 thread, already explained why there, so won't go into much detail. If anyone has questions they can ask.

2009 Lebron James - also already explained in the previous thread, nothing to add.

1987 Magic Johnson - Like Bird, he's a guy who can dominate the game while not really dominating the ball. Bird's usage is historically low for a superstar, but Magic's is on an entirely different level: 22% RS, 21% PS for career, 26% RS, 23% PS for this specific year. The ability to dominate on such low usage allowed Magic, with his super high basketball IQ, to get the best of everyone around him and lead a decade-long dynasty. His scoring wasn't dominant, but he was highly efficient and could up his volume when needed.

His versatility of skills allowed him to control the pace of the game and fit with any set of talent around him; usually we associate Magic with the fast-paced Showtime Lakers and him running in transition is the first image that comes to mind. But he's also one of the GOAT halfcourt players, with imo the best post GOAT game ever. If slowing down the pace of the game into a crawl was the way to win, Magic was capable of doing that at an all-time level too (see 1991 series vs Portland) He's also a walking mismatch in a way only Kevin Durant has ever replicated in basketball history; bigs were too slow to guard him, smalls were too short.

Offense-only I think Magic has a case for GOAT peak, he'd be #2 for me. I'm relatively low on his defense though, compared to Jordan and James at least.

‘67 Wilt
‘00 Shaq
‘13 LeBron

I already explained Wilt/Shaq

LeBron was jusy overall amazing on both ends that year while still maintaining defensive intensity throughout the regular season

_Game7_ wrote:1. 16 Lebron- Orchestrated the greatest come back in NBA history, put on a show like none before him.
2. 13 Lebron- This was the most cerebral version of Lebron, definition of a perfect basketball player.
3. 03 Duncan- Absolute peak of the greatest pf ever, dude had amazing control of the game on both sides of the floor.

I think one would probably argue that 16-18 were the most cerebral/highest IQ versions of Bron.

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Edit: Swapped LeBron and Wilt.

1. '17 LeBron: best combination of IQ, athleticism and jumper, which led to the GOAT Playoff offense. IMO he basically broke basketball in '17 and '18. I should have voted this year no. 1. No one has ever been able to adjust this fast to anything an opponent does to stop them.

2. '18 LeBron: arguably better than '17 in the Playoffs but the slight bad patch in the RS makes me drop it a spot (we are talking about the GOAT peak here so every little bit counts)

3. '67 Wilt: already explained. He's a combination of Nikola Jokic's offense (minus the 3 point shot but with Tyson Chandler level efficiency) and Rudy Gobert's defense and rebounding (even better on the boards).


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1. 13 LeBron
2. 16 LeBron
3. 00 O'Neal

Ive already described my picks, but I want to say, that | weight PO much more than RS (even with games missed), so 16 Lebron's RS dont affect negatively his rankings.

ardee wrote:

_Game7_ wrote:1. 16 Lebron- Orchestrated the greatest come back in NBA history, put on a show like none before him.
2. 13 Lebron- This was the most cerebral version of Lebron, definition of a perfect basketball player.
3. 03 Duncan- Absolute peak of the greatest pf ever, dude had amazing control of the game on both sides of the floor.

I think one would probably argue that 16-18 were the most cerebral/highest IQ versions of Bron.

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16-18 Lebron was a mastermind, but don't forget about the genius of 13 Lebron. He had the ball on strings that season, did what he wanted when he wanted and looked like peak Jordan out their. But as far as IQ you are correct 16-18 Lebron had a mature Magic/Nash type IQ.

Ho sbagliato.

Magic was ball dominant for his entire career. Usg% take account for shots, tov and freethrows, is not a good indicator.

Joey Wheeler wrote:1986 Larry Bird - was my pick in the #1 thread, already explained why there, so won't go into much detail. If anyone has questions they can ask.

2009 Lebron James - also already explained in the previous thread, nothing to add.

1987 Magic Johnson - Like Bird, he's a guy who can dominate the game while not really dominating the ball. Bird's usage is historically low for a superstar, but Magic's is on an entirely different level: 22% RS, 21% PS for career, 26% RS, 23% PS for this specific year. The ability to dominate on such low usage allowed Magic, with his super high basketball IQ, to get the best of everyone around him and lead a decade-long dynasty. His scoring wasn't dominant, but he was highly efficient and could up his volume when needed.

His versatility of skills allowed him to control the pace of the game and fit with any set of talent around him; usually we associate Magic with the fast-paced Showtime Lakers and him running in transition is the first image that comes to mind. But he's also one of the GOAT halfcourt players, with imo the best post GOAT game ever. If slowing down the pace of the game into a crawl was the way to win, Magic was capable of doing that at an all-time level too (see 1991 series vs Portland) He's also a walking mismatch in a way only Kevin Durant has ever replicated in basketball history; bigs were too slow to guard him, smalls were too short.

Offense-only I think Magic has a case for GOAT peak, he'd be #2 for me. I'm relatively low on his defense though, compared to Jordan and James at least.

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Some questions about Lebron’s 2016 playoff run.

In the 1st 2 rounds albeit sweeps Lebron averaged just 23.5/8.8/7.3 on 55.5 ts%. Do we factor in his subpar play against those mediocre teams, or do does it not carry a ton of weight since he dispatched both teams rather easily? I don’t remember a ton from those 2 series other than i kind of remember him underperforming a bit. Then he tore the Raps a new one as usual, then was subpar in the first 3-4 games of the finals. Was Lebron’s overall run that legendary or does it get a boost because what people remember most was his last 3 games against the Warriors?

Dontcallthetimeout got me thinking when he said that he likes it more when the discussion is leading to the votes and not the other way around. It seemed that more discussion came up about non vote posts than about vote posts. So I will this time save my vote for later and ask a few questions I would like to hear something about.


Lebron 2013:
A lot of guys have 2013 at the top or near the top of Lebrons best season and I understand that his 3-pointer, the ring, game 7 of the finals and so on look really intruiging, but RAPM really got me thinking that he was a step below these years on defense and his supposed better offense wasn't enough to make up for it.

Here are the data sets I have for PI and multiyear comparing 2009, 2012, 2013 and 2016

here ranked for DRAPM

SOURCE YEAR TYPE PLAYER ORAPM RANK ORAPM DRAPM RANK DRAPM RAPM RANK RAPM
Engelmann after '15 2012 multiyear LeBron James 6,35 1 2,94 13 9,29 1
engelmann 2009 PI LeBron James 6,6 1 2,8 13 9,3 1
Engelmann after '16 2016 multiyear LeBron James 5,91 1 2,74 12 8,65 1
Engelmann after '15 2009 multiyear LeBron James 6,28 2 2,56 21 8,84 2
gotbuckets 2009 PI LeBron James 5,88 2 2,16 17 8,05 1
gotbuckets 2012 PI LeBron James 5,92 5 1,89 24 7,81 2
engelmann 2012 PI LeBron James 4,2 7 1,8 38 6 3
gotbuckets 2013 PI LeBron James 6,76 1 1,22 38 7,98 1
Engelmann after '15 2013 multiyear LeBron James 5,8 1 0,6 139 6,4 2

and here for RAPM

SOURCE YEAR TYPE PLAYER ORAPM RANK ORAPM DRAPM RANK DRAPM RAPM RANK RAPM
engelmann 2009 PI LeBron James 6,6 1 2,8 13 9,3 1
Engelmann after '15 2012 multiyear LeBron James 6,35 1 2,94 13 9,29 1
Engelmann after '15 2009 multiyear LeBron James 6,28 2 2,56 21 8,84 2
Engelmann after '16 2016 multiyear LeBron James 5,91 1 2,74 12 8,65 1
gotbuckets 2009 PI LeBron James 5,88 2 2,16 17 8,05 1
gotbuckets 2013 PI LeBron James 6,76 1 1,22 38 7,98 1
gotbuckets 2012 PI LeBron James 5,92 5 1,89 24 7,81 2
Engelmann after '15 2013 multiyear LeBron James 5,8 1 0,6 139 6,4 2
engelmann 2012 PI LeBron James 4,2 7 1,8 38 6 3

Than the NPI data (separated because the scale seemed to be too different)

ranked for DRAPM

SOURCE YEAR TYPE PLAYER ORAPM RANK ORAPM DRAPM RANK DRAPM RAPM RANK RAPM
Engelmann after '16 2016 NPI LeBron James 4,71 1 2,89 5 7,6 2
Engelmann after '15 2009 NPI LeBron James 3,95 2 2,55 9 6,5 2
Engelamann only RS 2016 NPI LeBron James 4,21 3 1,86 18 6,07 3
Engelmann after '15 2012 NPI LeBron James 4,23 2 1,54 45 5,77 1
engelmann 2012 NPI LeBron James 2,8 10 0,6 71 3,4 6
Engelmann after '15 2013 NPI LeBron James 4,78 1 0,29 151 5,07 2

and again for RAPM

SOURCE YEAR TYPE PLAYER ORAPM RANK ORAPM DRAPM RANK DRAPM RAPM RANK RAPM
Engelmann after '16 2016 NPI LeBron James 4,71 1 2,89 5 7,6 2
Engelmann after '15 2009 NPI LeBron James 3,95 2 2,55 9 6,5 2
Engelamann only RS 2016 NPI LeBron James 4,21 3 1,86 18 6,07 3
Engelmann after '15 2012 NPI LeBron James 4,23 2 1,54 45 5,77 1
Engelmann after '15 2013 NPI LeBron James 4,78 1 0,29 151 5,07 2
engelmann 2012 NPI LeBron James 2,8 10 0,6 71 3,4 6

I mean I don't evaluate purely based on these numbers, but when I tried to evaluate it with my recollection all these four years were pretty close and when I then see a year that seems to be pretty consistently below others in multiple data sets of RAPM, that gives me reason to believe that it might not have been noise and more of a systematic thing and because of that is a little worse than the other years.

So where do you guys see the positive gap between 2013 and the other years and how large? Are you comfortable enough that the gap you see is really enough to overcome such a negative statistical gap?

Wilt 1967
Saw a lot of guys already voting for him and I know that there are a lot of people out there that are more knowledgable than I am when it comes to the 60's guys. So I wanna ask you some questions.
First off I have to say I am a little skeptical about Wilt but it's not that I want to talk him down or anything, the following stuff is STRICTLY in comparison to the absolute all time greats (so top10 peaks or so).
I saw someone saying on offense he is like Jokic. I have some problems with it. The limited footage I saw of the passing Wilt didn't strike me all that elite big man playmaker like. His decisions sometimes came pretty late, he oftentimes acted a little slow. For example comparing it to what I saw from Russell I got the feeling he made quicker decisions and his passing came more in the flow of the offense, whereas Wilt sometimes seemed to disrupt it a bit. His team was quite great and they oftentimes moved the ball a lot and Wilt didn't seem to always participate in these situations and was only part of the game when the pace slowed down and he got his post up. I mean in the end he averaged a lot of assists and his passes seemed actually well timed mostly so he absolutly had a playmaker effect but I really question if it was really that Big man playmaker type of impact that Bill Walton or Jokic had/has. I mean like I said the way Russell played as a passing hub, sometimes even his playmaking came around more impactful to me than Wilt's because it was better embedded in the Celtics team game.
So my question can anybody comment on that? Maybe someone completely disagrees with this and can give me a quick write up of his playmaking or can advice me some footage to watch?
Then I will come to his scoring. How was Wilt's split between being a finisher in the paint and creating his own shot out of the post?
I ask because the intuition would say with a better team around him he would get more off ball looks, which is absolutely valuable but not as much as creating himself. Now when he had a lot of finishing in his FGA it would be clear that he wasn't as much in the post creating since he only had 14 FGA per game in the RS and 15 in the PS. When I then take that and see that he took 10-11 FTA per game on which he shot 44% in the RS and 39% in the PO's I just think that his scoring game might also be a little less impactful than his TS% makes you believe. But that of course depends on the answer to the question asked in the beginning.
Overall of course he had one of the best offensive seasons of a center of all time. But I am not quite sure HOW good he was and remain more on the skeptical side. But when you add to that that he was really great on defense too that season of course you are looking at one of the great peaks in the history. But competition is tough.

Last question how do people see 2000 Shaq and his defense in the PO's? That is actually one of the points why I am a little lower then before on him. Maybe someone can give his opinion on how he sees it or if it is relevant.

Timmyyy wrote:Dontcallthetimeout got me thinking when he said that he likes it more when the discussion is leading to the votes and not the other way around. It seemed that more discussion came up about non vote posts than about vote posts. So I will this time save my vote for later and ask a few questions I would like to hear something about.


Lebron 2013:
A lot of guys have 2013 at the top or near the top of Lebrons best season and I understand that his 3-pointer, the ring, game 7 of the finals and so on look really intruiging, but RAPM really got me thinking that he was a step below these years on defense and his supposed better offense wasn't enough to make up for it.

Here are the data sets I have for PI and multiyear comparing 2009, 2012, 2013 and 2016

here ranked for DRAPM

SOURCE YEAR TYPE PLAYER ORAPM RANK ORAPM DRAPM RANK DRAPM RAPM RANK RAPM
Engelmann after '15 2012 multiyear LeBron James 6,35 1 2,94 13 9,29 1
engelmann 2009 PI LeBron James 6,6 1 2,8 13 9,3 1
Engelmann after '16 2016 multiyear LeBron James 5,91 1 2,74 12 8,65 1
Engelmann after '15 2009 multiyear LeBron James 6,28 2 2,56 21 8,84 2
gotbuckets 2009 PI LeBron James 5,88 2 2,16 17 8,05 1
gotbuckets 2012 PI LeBron James 5,92 5 1,89 24 7,81 2
engelmann 2012 PI LeBron James 4,2 7 1,8 38 6 3
gotbuckets 2013 PI LeBron James 6,76 1 1,22 38 7,98 1
Engelmann after '15 2013 multiyear LeBron James 5,8 1 0,6 139 6,4 2

and here for RAPM

SOURCE YEAR TYPE PLAYER ORAPM RANK ORAPM DRAPM RANK DRAPM RAPM RANK RAPM
engelmann 2009 PI LeBron James 6,6 1 2,8 13 9,3 1
Engelmann after '15 2012 multiyear LeBron James 6,35 1 2,94 13 9,29 1
Engelmann after '15 2009 multiyear LeBron James 6,28 2 2,56 21 8,84 2
Engelmann after '16 2016 multiyear LeBron James 5,91 1 2,74 12 8,65 1
gotbuckets 2009 PI LeBron James 5,88 2 2,16 17 8,05 1
gotbuckets 2013 PI LeBron James 6,76 1 1,22 38 7,98 1
gotbuckets 2012 PI LeBron James 5,92 5 1,89 24 7,81 2
Engelmann after '15 2013 multiyear LeBron James 5,8 1 0,6 139 6,4 2
engelmann 2012 PI LeBron James 4,2 7 1,8 38 6 3

Than the NPI data (separated because the scale seemed to be too different)

ranked for DRAPM

SOURCE YEAR TYPE PLAYER ORAPM RANK ORAPM DRAPM RANK DRAPM RAPM RANK RAPM
Engelmann after '16 2016 NPI LeBron James 4,71 1 2,89 5 7,6 2
Engelmann after '15 2009 NPI LeBron James 3,95 2 2,55 9 6,5 2
Engelamann only RS 2016 NPI LeBron James 4,21 3 1,86 18 6,07 3
Engelmann after '15 2012 NPI LeBron James 4,23 2 1,54 45 5,77 1
engelmann 2012 NPI LeBron James 2,8 10 0,6 71 3,4 6
Engelmann after '15 2013 NPI LeBron James 4,78 1 0,29 151 5,07 2

and again for RAPM

SOURCE YEAR TYPE PLAYER ORAPM RANK ORAPM DRAPM RANK DRAPM RAPM RANK RAPM
Engelmann after '16 2016 NPI LeBron James 4,71 1 2,89 5 7,6 2
Engelmann after '15 2009 NPI LeBron James 3,95 2 2,55 9 6,5 2
Engelamann only RS 2016 NPI LeBron James 4,21 3 1,86 18 6,07 3
Engelmann after '15 2012 NPI LeBron James 4,23 2 1,54 45 5,77 1
Engelmann after '15 2013 NPI LeBron James 4,78 1 0,29 151 5,07 2
engelmann 2012 NPI LeBron James 2,8 10 0,6 71 3,4 6

I mean I don't evaluate purely based on these numbers, but when I tried to evaluate it with my recollection all these four years were pretty close and when I then see a year that seems to be pretty consistently below others in multiple data sets of RAPM, that gives me reason to believe that it might not have been noise and more of a systematic thing and because of that is a little worse than the other years.

So where do you guys see the positive gap between 2013 and the other years and how large? Are you comfortable enough that the gap you see is really enough to overcome such a negative statistical gap?

I say this all the time about 2013 but everything you said was accurate and in and after 2013 (which IMO matters way more than posters now looking at the boxscores to parse their memory) people said Lebron's peak was 2012 or 2009 universally. I think what we're fighting against here is that lovely PC board TS% hyping. Lebron had his highest TS% in a championship season by far in 2013 (64 TS% vs 60 in 2012), to most their vote for that season goes just that far and everything else is an attempt to justify ranking 2013 that high when personally I place it 5th at best depending on how I feel about 2017 at the time (another season overrated because of his TS%).

Wilt 1967
Saw a lot of guys already voting for him and I know that there are a lot of people out there that are more knowledgable than I am when it comes to the 60's guys. So I wanna ask you some questions.
First off I have to say I am a little skeptical about Wilt but it's not that I want to talk him down or anything, the following stuff is STRICTLY in comparison to the absolute all time greats (so top10 peaks or so).
I saw someone saying on offense he is like Jokic. I have some problems with it. The limited footage I saw of the passing Wilt didn't strike me all that elite big man playmaker like. His decisions sometimes came pretty late, he oftentimes acted a little slow. For example comparing it to what I saw from Russell I got the feeling he made quicker decisions and his passing came more in the flow of the offense, whereas Wilt sometimes seemed to disrupt it a bit. His team was quite great and they oftentimes moved the ball a lot and Wilt didn't seem to always participate in these situations and was only part of the game when the pace slowed down and he got his post up. I mean in the end he averaged a lot of assists and his passes seemed actually well timed mostly so he absolutly had a playmaker effect but I really question if it was really that Big man playmaker type of impact that Bill Walton or Jokic had/has. I mean like I said the way Russell played as a passing hub, sometimes even his playmaking came around more impactful to me than Wilt's because it was better embedded in the Celtics team game.
So my question can anybody comment on that? Maybe someone completely disagrees with this and can give me a quick write up of his playmaking or can advice me some footage to watch?

Well we don't have much on Wilt but I agree with your assessment here. I think they were strictly talking about his volume. To me his value stemmed mostly from his amazing defense, stamina, and scoring. The passing was cool but he was mostly standing around waiting for his teammates to get open. Beyond that he was extremely turnover prone especially against great Cs which he played a lot of in that era. Still he was third in points and 5th in PPG (~27 ppg would've got him 5th this year in scoring) while having the equivalent of a 70+ TS%. Even if we say era adjusted he'd only give a team 19 ppg on 68 TS% that's still insane scoring production.

Then I will come to his scoring. How was Wilt's split between being a finisher in the paint and creating his own shot out of the post?
I ask because the intuition would say with a better team around him he would get more off ball looks, which is absolutely valuable but not as much as creating himself. Now when he had a lot of finishing in his FGA it would be clear that he wasn't as much in the post creating since he only had 14 FGA per game in the RS and 15 in the PS. When I then take that and see that he took 10-11 FTA per game on which he shot 44% in the RS and 39% in the PO's I just think that his scoring game might also be a little less impactful than his TS% makes you believe. But that of course depends on the answer to the question asked in the beginning.
Overall of course he had one of the best offensive seasons of a center of all time. But I am not quite sure HOW good he was and remain more on the skeptical side. But when you add to that that he was really great on defense too that season of course you are looking at one of the great peaks in the history. But competition is tough.

So remember the 67 Sixers had the #1 offense. Personally I say just look at this:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=1955&year_max=1970&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&order_by=ts_pct

Those are all 20 ppg scorers between 1955 and 1970 sorted by TS%. Sort it by FG% and it's even more absurd, he's 15% better than the next best volume scorer. Remember even now in 2019 that's still the highest FG% anyone has had while averaging 15+ ppg. I just think there's something to be said for the fact Wilt is far and away the best finisher in league history. In the modern NBA I have no doubt playing like he did then he could have a 70+ FG% while scoring 20 ppg.

Last question how do people see 2000 Shaq and his defense in the PO's? That is actually one of the points why I am a little lower then before on him. Maybe someone can give his opinion on how he sees it or if it is relevant.

His defense was great. I don't get what the issue is. Vlade shot 35.7% from the field in their series, Luc Longley shot 37.1% from the field in their series, Sabonis shot 38.2% from the field in their series, and Rik Smits shot 46.6% from the field. The Lakers defense overall underperformed slightly but they can thank Reggie Miller for that, he kills everyone's defense in the playoffs.