CKRT wrote: thekdog34 wrote:
70sFan wrote:I don't think anyone should blame Harden for that loss, his teammates played terribly throughout the series and Westbrook at times was straight liability.
Maybe so, but it is the one who demanded cp3 get traded for Westbrook
Yeah, Harden shares some blame for wanting Westbrook. Like most players, he shouldn't be involved with roster decisions short of the FO seeing what he thinks about another player.
"shouldn't" is an important word here.
The idea that a star worker wouldn't carry a ton of influence on the context around him is just naive. It's more extreme in the NBA, but it exists in any walk of life and it is always a part of how we evaluate that worker. I'm a teacher, in my profession we'd call that being a "good colleague", "good professional", "campus leader", and every single campus has people who are amazing in the classroom but are negatives outside of that, and has many, many people who are just run-of-the-mill in the classroom (no special charisma, humor, etc) but carry themselves like professionals at all times.
But clearly Harden shouldn't be involved with roster decisions because he thought trading for Westbrook was a good idea. OKC should have been completely unable to trade Westbrook. Period. There's no player whose contract is that big and whose game is so glaringly problematic as it ages as Westbrook. Like, there's probably NEVER been a player this glaring in the history of the game. No hyperbole.
That doesn't mean the Rockets can't trade Westbrook now, because other desperate teams exist and they might think that anything is better than what they have, but whoever trades for Westbrook now will be foolish, no doubt about it.
Back to Harden and player-GMs. I personally welcome factoring this stuff in to my player rankings. It's a challenge to be sure. How do you add on and off court impact together? But it's a challenge that GMs have to deal with, therefore it's what's real. By contrast, questions of who is better purely on the court are fan-only territory, and thus are less real and meaningful by my perspective.
Last note: I always say, and still insist: I'm a Harden fan. He's a local boy i've been cheering on for a long time, and I still maintain that he's the single cleverest one-on-one player in the history of the sport. He's long proven himself to be a high IQ guy on and off the sport in a sense of displaying aptitude for IQ-like things. But man, did he blow with the Paul-Westbrook thing, and I can't imagine he's happy now.
Hey: With what's going on in the world, my fuse is shorter than it used to be, and it's leading my lose my cool and then go on self-imposed breaks from things (such as RealGM). Please try to keep it civil, and I'll be looking to do the same.