Ainosterhaspie wrote:mysticOscar wrote:freethedevil wrote:People should read this.
That being said, westbrook's statpadded rebounds are at best hyperbole. The reason okc gives him extra rebounds is because westbrook led transition offense is their most effective version of attack.
The use of Drating in that post lacks so much context. Not using OReb% and Ftr while comparing Drating across eras is really misguided.
The fact is, in todays league with even historically low OReb and FTr....the Orating is up there as the highest ever...and when it comes to efficiency, its the best ever.
This is due to the fact that today the rules are catered for perimeter scoring and where most of the volume of scoring is coming from vs it being in the post before.
We saw what happened when the league moved to the perimeter prior to the rules being alteres (late 90s to early 00s)...the scoring went down.
In other words MJ was a big outlier as a high volume perimeter scorer in his time...and u teleport him today in perimeter friendly open space league...i dont know how teams can stop him
Well give the context. Don't expect us to just accept your word that defense was great 85-98 and bad 04 to 18. I haven't seen any data that supports that position. When I watch games from the previous era I'm not at all impressed with the defense. It was not that good then and the DRtg supports that.
From what I'm seeing defense and offense from 85 to 95 and from 05 to 15 were more or less the same. Ddfense started getting significantly better around 96 to around 04 but that time falls outside the primes of Jordan and LeBron and isn't that relevant when comparing them.
Offense has really ticked up the last couple years, but again that's outside LeBron's prime so not particularly relevant. Prime Jordan and prime LeBron faced similar caliber defenses.
I don't get why you are bringing up offensive rebounds and FTr. Can you expand on that?
U have to look at different eras in the right context.
Mid 80s to mid 90s were all about post scoring. U dont see many movement in defenses in the 3pt line because not many shots were taken from there. Lanes were packed because defensive 3 seconds were not a thing, and when u had a high volume perimeter slasher (which became common in the mid 90s)...hand checking were deployed more often...to slow the drive in time for the bigs to get under the ring.
Now of course u see more defensive movement in the 3pt line...because u cant lay a hand on perimeter player at all...and there are no bigs really camped under the ring. DONT MISTAKE MORE DEFENSIVE MOVEMENT AROUND THE 3PT LINE FOR BETTER DEFENSE.
Regarding OREB and FTR has a massive impact on DRating....because D or O rating is scoring per 100 possession. So the higher FTr allows more scoring within 100 possessions (since post scoring consists of more physicality which garners more free throws)....and Orebound does not count as a new possesion and gwnerally an Oreb has a higher chance of of scoring through put backs or getting fouled.
But today...perimeter scoring is so overpowered that they dont even need the same FTr or high OReb to be the same ORating as post scoring....which to me shows how much the league has really nerfed defense against perimeter....why would teams ever employ post oriented scoring again??