Build me the best possible All-Time Lakers team w/ 15$

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Re: Build me the best possible All-Time Lakers team w/ 15$ 

Post#21 » by Jiminy Glick » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:46 pm

limbo wrote:Like i said, this is extremely hard to balance out in a way that people don't just pick the same two permutations every time and there's some variation in how people want to approach it

With that said, here's some reasoning behind the choices and some general thoughts i have:

- Jerry West is a difficult one. Had him at $5 initially, but figured nobody would consider picking him. How many people would realistically take him at that price over guys like Shaq, Kareem, Magic, even Wilt. And if someone decided to build a team with two 5$ players, i'd figure a significantly bigger percentage of people would take Kobe over West in that sense. So i reluctantly had to drop his price by $1. Maybe i could have put him there at $4.5, but i haven't really thought about how that would skew the game if decimal prices where also allowed. This thread was kinda made in the spur of the moment, maybe i will make a Celtic one next and put more thought into it.

- Was considering Eddie Jones at $3, but again, how many people would pick him for that price? Another factor was that if you, say, have a core of Shaq/Kobe or Kareem/Magic, you can now choose whether to put a more talented player in Jones there for $2, and risk him not realizing his ceiling as a player because Kareem and Magic will have most of the ball, or just play it safe with a Cooper, Horry, Fisher low usage/resource type player.

- Nixon is a polarizing player. I don't rate him as highly + he's a guy that demands the ball a lot but doesn't necessarily produce great results with it, but i knew some people would. By putting him just $1, i can tease people to see how much value he has.

- Scott was a 22/4/4 player at his peak in LA, pace notwithstanding. Maybe $3 is a bit too high, i agree, but he's like one of the iconic LA players, couldn't bring myself to knock him down a peg

- Having Kobe any lower than $5, he would be snagged up like Black Friday.

- Bynum at $1 is a test to see who's willing to pull a trigger on a player that was very solid at his peak, but comes with all types of baggage and injury concerns.

- No LeBron after just 1 year with the franchise. Maybe i should've included him, it would make it more interesting, perhaps in a revisited version in the future.

- Also, suprised by the fact that literally zero people picked either Pau or Odom. Both All-Stars that fit well with any superstar on this board. Odom at 3$ would've been a steal, i'd imagine, that's why i upped his price.

- Any suggestions for improvements are welcomed

Oh, any here's my team, well... two teams, Team A (I would be most curious to watch) and Team B (the most likely to be dominant in terms of winning)

Team A:

C: Divac (2)
PF: Odom (4)
SF: Baylor (3)
SG: Van Exel (1)
PG: Magic (5)

Team B:

C: Shaq (5)
PF: Rambis (1)
SF: Odom (4)
SG: West (4)
PG: Van Exel (1)


Yeah but Odom hasn't been used except for you. Gasol and Wilt have not been used. So Odom and Gasol should be $3 and Lakers Wilt should be $4. It will be very hard for people to take Wilt out of his prime versus Kareem and Shaq who were in there prime with the Lakers.
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Re: Build me the best possible All-Time Lakers team w/ 15$ 

Post#22 » by TheNG » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:51 pm

limbo wrote:
TheNG wrote:PG: Jerry West (4) - Peak: 35 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg | ring-yes | FMVP-yes | multi 1st team-yes | multi defensive 1st team-yes
SG: Michael Cooper (2) - Peak: 9 ppg, 3 rpg, 6 apg | multi ring-yes | multi defensive 1st team-yes
SF: Elgin Baylor (3) - Peak: 38 ppg, 19 rpg, 5 apg | multi 1st team-yes
PF: AC Green (2) - Peak: 15 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 apg | multi ring-yes | defensive 2nd team-yes
C: George Mikan (4) - Peak: 28 ppg, 14 rpg, 3 apg | ring-yes | mvp-yes


You think your team of:

G: West
G: Cooper
F: Baylor
F: Green
C: Mikan

beats my team of:

G: Van Exel
G: West
F: Odom
F: Rambis
C: Shaq

?

i don't think it does. Two guards that can both shoot and create with Shaq causing havoc down low. Odom is the ultimate glue guy, jack of all trades. He would be the primary defender on Baylor with Rambis being thrown into the ring a few times just to muck it up and do the dirty work in general. :)



I think Baylor is much better than Odom, so even if we go with you Shaq/West/Van Exel, which is a great combination, I would put AC Green and Baylor with them to make them better:

G: Van Exel/Nixon (1)
G: West (4)
F: Baylor (3)
F: AC Green (2)
C: Shaq/Kareem (5)
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Re: Build me the best possible All-Time Lakers team w/ 15$ 

Post#23 » by limbo » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:57 pm

I think Odom and Gasol are clearly better than any of the guys in the $3 group, sans for maybe Baylor, but Baylor is a risky pick because he loses a lot of his value (scoring) when paired by simply better offensive players who deserve to take more shots.

Having Odom and Gasol at $3, everybody would be snagging them up, similar to how most people are taking West at $4 since i've lowered his price, because it's a bargain.

Wilt at $4 would be interesting though. Wilt wasn't at his peak when he played for the Lakers but he was still damn good, and more importantly, focused on actually doing winning things instead of having lazy tendencies and trying to prove people wrong by putting up gaudy numbers or displaying unnecessary flashy shots and skills.
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Post#24 » by limbo » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:02 pm

TheNG wrote:I think Baylor is much better than Odom, so even if we go with you Shaq/West/Van Exel, which is a great combination, I would put AC Green and Baylor with them to make them better:

G: Van Exel/Nixon (1)
G: West (4)
F: Baylor (3)
F: AC Green (2)
C: Shaq/Kareem (5)


Baylor might be better than Odom in a vacuum, but is he the better complimentary piece to the core of Shaq/West and the rest of the team, and i don't believe he is. I think Odom as the 3rd fiddle brings a lot more value and versatility than Baylor, because he's a better shooter, playmaker and defender, arguably.
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Post#25 » by uberhikari » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:39 pm

PG: Jerry West
SG: Michael Cooper
SF: Eddie Jones
PF: Robert Horry
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
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Post#26 » by bledredwine » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:13 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:Kareem-Magic-Baylor-Rambis-Nixon should do ok.



Nice.

This is basically my line up.
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Post#27 » by Mogspan » Fri Oct 4, 2019 6:59 am

Johnson
Cooper
Jones
Rambis
O'Neal
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Post#28 » by Chaos Revenant » Fri Oct 4, 2019 1:37 pm

limbo wrote:You seen this before... Assume their peak form when they were a Laker (meaning if you pick Wilt, you get what Wilt was with the Lakers, not prior in his career).

5$ - Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe
4$ - Mikan, West, Worthy, Pau, Odom
3$ - Mikkelsen, Baylor, Goodrich, Scott,
2$ - LaRusso, AC Green, Cooper, Divac, Eddie Jones, Horry, Fisher
1$ - Rambis, Nixon,Van Exel, Bynum, Sasha ''Machine'' Vujacic

Let's see what you come up with.

EDIT: moved West from 5 to 4$ to make it more balanced

EDIT 2: Moved Baylor from 4 to 3$, Odom goes up 4$... This is harder to balance than i thought.


C: Divac (2)
PF:Worthy (4)
SF: Scott (3)
SG: Bryant (5)
PG: Van Exel (1)

Tried to build it for a modern game with a motion/spacing offense for Bryant to work. I initially wanted to build around Wilt, but I'm not sure how athletic Lakers Wilt still was. Essentially giving Kobe the kind of spacing that guys like LeBron and Harden have always enjoyed. Ideally, we can project higher 3p efficiency to all these guys, even Divac (and if not, I'd play Worthy at C and Horry at the 4)

With 7 dollars and a restriction of no players over 3 dollars to build a bench I go with:

C: Bynum (1)
PF: Rambis (1)
SF/SG: Baylor (3)
PG: Fisher
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Post#29 » by OdomFan » Fri Oct 4, 2019 2:10 pm

Center - Shaq $5
Power Forward - Horry $2
Small Forward - Kobe $5
Shooting Guard - Jones $2
Point Guard - Van Exel $1
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Post#30 » by Chaos Revenant » Fri Oct 4, 2019 6:37 pm

that's basically the 96 lakers except replacing rookie Kobe with Peak Kobe
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Post#31 » by Heat4lyf » Fri Oct 4, 2019 10:19 pm

West
Eddie jones
Elgin Taylor
Odom
Shaq
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Post#32 » by Heat4lyf » Fri Oct 4, 2019 10:19 pm

West
Eddie jones
Elgin baylor
Odom
Shaq
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Post#33 » by Asianiac_24 » Sun Oct 6, 2019 9:22 am

PG: Van Exel (1)
SG: Kobe Bryant (5)
SF: Michael Cooper (2)
PF: Robert Horry (2)
C: Shaq (5)
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Post#34 » by euroleague » Sun Oct 6, 2019 10:01 am

Norm Nixon (1)
Jerry West (4)
Eddie Jones (2)
Elgin Baylor (3)
Shaq (5)
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Post#35 » by euroleague » Sun Oct 6, 2019 10:06 am

Heat4lyf wrote:West
Eddie jones
Elgin baylor
Odom
Shaq

That’s not 15
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Post#36 » by Blomberg » Mon Oct 7, 2019 8:39 am

C: Shaq 5$
PF: Horry 2$
SF: Magic 5$
SG: Eddie Jones 2$
PG: Van Exel 1$

Magic would handle ball the most ofc.

I think this starting five has a lot of ball handling in Magic & Van Exel, a stretch 4 and a great defender in Horry to make Shaq more room down low and some shooters (Jones and Van Exel plus Horry and even Magic). And if Magic was able to make showtime work with old Kareem, then how about with Prime Shaq?
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Post#37 » by TheRealKaboom » Wed Oct 9, 2019 11:09 pm

How much is AD?

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Post#38 » by SHAQ32 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:53 am

limbo wrote:You seen this before... Assume their peak form when they were a Laker (meaning if you pick Wilt, you get what Wilt was with the Lakers, not prior in his career).

5$ - Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe
4$ - Mikan, West, Worthy, Pau, Odom
3$ - Mikkelsen, Baylor, Goodrich, Scott,
2$ - LaRusso, AC Green, Cooper, Divac, Eddie Jones, Horry, Fisher
1$ - Rambis, Nixon,Van Exel, Bynum, Sasha ''Machine'' Vujacic

Let's see what you come up with.

EDIT: moved West from 5 to 4$ to make it more balanced

EDIT 2: Moved Baylor from 4 to 3$, Odom goes up 4$... This is harder to balance than i thought.


Shaq $5
Horry $2
Jones $2
Kobe $4
Fisher $2
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Post#39 » by OdomFan » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:21 pm

TheRealKaboom wrote:How much is AD?

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AD isnt an All Time Laker.
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Post#40 » by 70sFan » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:56 pm

TheRealKaboom wrote:How much is AD?

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Dantley was great, but not in his prime as a Laker yet.

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