How many CP3 seasons would you pick over peak Frazier?

[70sFan]

How many CP3 seasons would you pick over peak Frazier?

Frazier peaked in 1970-73 period, when he averaged around 22/7/7 on 56% TS without three point line and with ATG defense.

His playoffs runs in 1972 and 1973 proved him at the highest level. He's also great temmate who didn't struggle with unselfish team basketball.

Paul was great for a long time, so I'd like to hear your opinions abiut this comparison.

[liamliam1234]

Regular season, maybe five (2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015), with 2012 having a strong per-game argument.

Overall season is closer, with 2009 being too much of a postseason disappointment for me to consider it. I would still probably take 2008 and 2015. However, Walt was phenomenal in 1972, so I would go with that above 2013 and 2014, even though, again, both are still all-time seasons overall.

Kind-of one of the difficulties with the Peaks Project now. Paul just got in at #28, and I do not think Walt's peak was too far behind, but we are at the point where the same could be said for like eight guys.

(Speaking of which, 70sFan, you never made your Gilmore case. )

[No-more-rings]

I’d probably go 08, 09, 13-15. So i guess 5.

[70sFan]

Regular season, maybe five (2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015), with 2012 having a strong per-game argument.

Overall season is closer, with 2009 being too much of a postseason disappointment for me to consider it. I would still probably take 2008 and 2015. However, Walt was phenomenal in 1972, so I would go with that above 2013 and 2014, even though, again, both are still all-time seasons overall.

Kind-of one of the difficulties with the Peaks Project now. Paul just got in at #28, and I do not think Walt's peak was too far behind, but we are at the point where the same could be said for like eight guys.

(Speaking of which, 70sFan, you never made your Gilmore case. )

I'm going to make longer post about Gilmore this weekend. Sorry for waiting so long.

[penbeast0]

I'd take 73 Frazier over any version of Paul . . . mainly due to his great finals. He was not the playmaker Paul is but was as capable a scorer, an even better defender, and had a big size advantage plus that finals performance puts him slightly ahead.

[70sFan]

I'd take 73 Frazier over any version of Paul . . . mainly due to his great finals. He was not the playmaker Paul is but was as capable a scorer, an even better defender, and had a big size advantage plus that finals performance puts him slightly ahead.

1972 Frazier was arguably even better in playoffs.

[No-more-rings]

Regular season, maybe five (2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015), with 2012 having a strong per-game argument.

Overall season is closer, with 2009 being too much of a postseason disappointment for me to consider it. I would still probably take 2008 and 2015. However, Walt was phenomenal in 1972, so I would go with that above 2013 and 2014, even though, again, both are still all-time seasons overall.

Kind-of one of the difficulties with the Peaks Project now. Paul just got in at #28, and I do not think Walt's peak was too far behind, but we are at the point where the same could be said for like eight guys.

(Speaking of which, 70sFan, you never made your Gilmore case. )

That's the thing about Paul and why i couldn't vote for him as high as some others in the project. He has a bunch of really good seasons, but not that one jaw dropping year like some others have(06 and 09 for Wade, 16 for Curry, 06 for Kobe, etc). He seemed to never put together one of those but I'll admit he was close. 08 is probably his closest, 80 games and great playoffs. 2011 was kind of a down year, then every year after that he was either missing a lot of regular season games or playoff games or both.

[Colbinii]

Regular season, maybe five (2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015), with 2012 having a strong per-game argument.

Overall season is closer, with 2009 being too much of a postseason disappointment for me to consider it. I would still probably take 2008 and 2015. However, Walt was phenomenal in 1972, so I would go with that above 2013 and 2014, even though, again, both are still all-time seasons overall.

Kind-of one of the difficulties with the Peaks Project now. Paul just got in at #28, and I do not think Walt's peak was too far behind, but we are at the point where the same could be said for like eight guys.

(Speaking of which, 70sFan, you never made your Gilmore case. )

That's the thing about Paul and why i couldn't vote for him as high as some others in the project. He has a bunch of really good seasons, but not that one jaw dropping year like some others have(06 and 09 for Wade, 16 for Curry, 06 for Kobe, etc). He seemed to never put together one of those but I'll admit he was close. 08 is probably his closest, 80 games and great playoffs. 2011 was kind of a down year, then every year after that he was either missing a lot of regular season games or playoff games or both.

Paul had alltime great regular seasons with better playoffs than 2016 Curry.

He has plenty of seasons in line with the players you mentioned.

[No-more-rings]

Regular season, maybe five (2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015), with 2012 having a strong per-game argument.

Overall season is closer, with 2009 being too much of a postseason disappointment for me to consider it. I would still probably take 2008 and 2015. However, Walt was phenomenal in 1972, so I would go with that above 2013 and 2014, even though, again, both are still all-time seasons overall.

Kind-of one of the difficulties with the Peaks Project now. Paul just got in at #28, and I do not think Walt's peak was too far behind, but we are at the point where the same could be said for like eight guys.

(Speaking of which, 70sFan, you never made your Gilmore case. )

That's the thing about Paul and why i couldn't vote for him as high as some others in the project. He has a bunch of really good seasons, but not that one jaw dropping year like some others have(06 and 09 for Wade, 16 for Curry, 06 for Kobe, etc). He seemed to never put together one of those but I'll admit he was close. 08 is probably his closest, 80 games and great playoffs. 2011 was kind of a down year, then every year after that he was either missing a lot of regular season games or playoff games or both.

Paul had alltime great regular seasons with better playoffs than 2016 Curry.

He has plenty of seasons in line with the players you mentioned.

They're fairly in line but i don't think they're better necessarily.

Paul's only all time great regular season objectively was 2009, where he was worse than 16 Curry in the playoffs.

[liamliam1234]

Kind-of weird how 2009 featured the most numerically impressive seasons for Lebron, Wade, Paul, and arguably Kobe. Like, if we were just ranking best regular seasons ever, 2009 might have four of the top thirty or something.

[Lost92Bricks]

That's the thing about Paul and why i couldn't vote for him as high as some others in the project. He has a bunch of really good seasons, but not that one jaw dropping year like some others have(06 and 09 for Wade, 16 for Curry, 06 for Kobe, etc). He seemed to never put together one of those but I'll admit he was close. 08 is probably his closest, 80 games and great playoffs. 2011 was kind of a down year, then every year after that he was either missing a lot of regular season games or playoff games or both.

2009 and 2008 are easily jaw dropping.

No player in NBA history has ever averaged 20 points, 10 assists and made an All-Defensive team all in the same season. He did it twice.

[No-more-rings]

That's the thing about Paul and why i couldn't vote for him as high as some others in the project. He has a bunch of really good seasons, but not that one jaw dropping year like some others have(06 and 09 for Wade, 16 for Curry, 06 for Kobe, etc). He seemed to never put together one of those but I'll admit he was close. 08 is probably his closest, 80 games and great playoffs. 2011 was kind of a down year, then every year after that he was either missing a lot of regular season games or playoff games or both.

2009 and 2008 are easily jaw dropping.

No player in NBA history has ever averaged 20 points, 10 assists and made an All-Defensive team all in the same season. He did it twice.

As i already stated, he was bad in the playoffs in 09, you can’t just gloss over it because it fits your favorite player.

In 08 as i said he was great, but he wasn’t deserving of all defensive teams as supported by metrics.

[Lost92Bricks]

As i already stated, he was bad in the playoffs in 09, you can’t just gloss over it because it fits your favorite player.

In 08 as i said he was great, but he wasn’t deserving of all defensive teams as supported by metrics.

That doesn't discredit his entire season because he had a couple bad games playing through an injury.

[euroleague]

I am just not that big of a Chris Paul fan. The numbers are solid, but he just dribbled the ball all the time and hogs possession.

I didn’t watch CP3 in 08. I wouldn’t take any season I’ve seen over Frazier at his peak, because I prefer Frazier’s playing style.

[No-more-rings]

As i already stated, he was bad in the playoffs in 09, you can’t just gloss over it because it fits your favorite player.

In 08 as i said he was great, but he wasn’t deserving of all defensive teams as supported by metrics.

That doesn't discredit his entire season because he had a couple bad games playing through an injury.

I didn’t discredit it. It just seems like when people talk about peak Cp3, they tend to want to combine all his best attributes into one season when it never happened. His peak athleticism, defense, shooting and bball IQ didn’t all happen at the same time. If they did he’s probably be as good as Magic Johnson, which he’s not.

[Cavsfansince84]

I think I'd say zero. Not that it isn't close but if I have to choose one pg to lead my team in the rs and then into the playoffs I think I'd go with Clyde.

[Lost92Bricks]

I didn’t discredit it. It just seems like when people talk about peak Cp3, they tend to want to combine all his best attributes into one season when it never happened. His peak athleticism, defense, shooting and bball IQ didn’t all happen at the same time. If they did he’s probably be as good as Magic Johnson, which he’s not.

That never happens with ANY player. But his athleticism, defense, shooting and BBall IQ were all elite or close to it in 2009. He was a monster.

How many players were ever elite at scoring, playmaking and defense all in the same season other than Chris Paul in 2009?

[Cavsfansince84]

I didn’t discredit it. It just seems like when people talk about peak Cp3, they tend to want to combine all his best attributes into one season when it never happened. His peak athleticism, defense, shooting and bball IQ didn’t all happen at the same time. If they did he’s probably be as good as Magic Johnson, which he’s not.

That never happens with ANY player. But his athleticism, defense, shooting and BBall IQ were all elite or close to it in 2009. He was a monster.

How many players were ever elite at scoring, playmaking and defense all in the same season other than Chris Paul in 2009?

It really depends on what your cut off is for elite in all three categories. I mean LeBron was elite at all three from about 08-14 and could still turn it on like he did in the 2016 playoffs. MJ I would say was close to elite in all three unless you doubt his playmaking. If you are only looking at pgs then I'd include Frazier.

[Lost92Bricks]

It really depends on what your cut off is for elite in all three categories. I mean LeBron was elite at all three from about 08-14 and could still turn it on like he did in the 2016 playoffs. MJ I would say was close to elite in all three unless you doubt his playmaking. If you are only looking at pgs then I'd include Frazier.

So you just named two top 5 players of all-time...I rest my case.

[Cavsfansince84]

It really depends on what your cut off is for elite in all three categories. I mean LeBron was elite at all three from about 08-14 and could still turn it on like he did in the 2016 playoffs. MJ I would say was close to elite in all three unless you doubt his playmaking. If you are only looking at pgs then I'd include Frazier.

So you just named two top 5 players of all-time...I rest my case.

As I said though it really depends where you are drawing the line and whether you are limiting it to point guards because playmaking is something that is pretty innate to that position. Also, seeing as this thread is comparing CP3 to Walt Frazier and Frazier is also one of the players I named I don't see why your case would rest.