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1. Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. Dallas Chaparrals, San Antonio Spurs
4. Chicago Bulls
5. Syracuse Nationals/Philadelphia 76ers
6. Philly/SF/Golden State Warriors
7. Miami Heat
8. Fort Wayne/Detroit Pistons
9. Houston Rockets
10. New York Knicks
11. Indiana Pacers
12. Seattle Supersonics/OKC Thunder
13. Portland Trailblazers
14. New Orleans/Utah Jazz
15. Phoenix Suns
16. Milwaukee Bucks
17. Dallas Mavericks

.....

26. Vancouver/Memphis Grizzlies
27. New Orleans Hornets/Pelicans
28. Charlotte Bobcats/Hornets
29. Buffalo Braves/(San Diego)/Los Angeles Clippers
30. Minnesota Timberwolves

Will show the usual categories I've been outlining, but including the "last 50 years Hawks" just to see how they compare to the Cavs and Nuggets during the same basic period of existence (and bear in mind their 20 years PRIOR to that were pretty good [above average], fwiw):


rs Win%
Nuggets - .501 (.490 in NBA, .555 in ABA)
Hawks - .495
"last 50 yrs Hawks" - .494
Cavs - .465

% of Seasons in the Playoffs
Hawks - .657
Nuggets - .654 (.581 in NBA, 1.000 in ABA)
"last 50 yrs Hawks" - .640
Cavs - .449

% of Seasons going as far as Conference Finals
Hawks - .186
Cavs - .163
Nuggets - .115 (.070 in NBA, .333 in ABA)
"last 50 yrs Hawks" - .040

Playoff Series Win%
Cavs - .543
Hawks - .366
"last 50 yrs Hawks" - .319
Nuggets - .277 (.286 in NBA, .250 in ABA)

% of Seasons going to Finals
Cavs - .102
Hawks - .057
Nuggets - .019 (n/a in NBA, .111 in ABA)
"last 50 yrs Hawks" - n/a

% of Seasons Winning Title
Cavs - .0204
Hawks - .014
Nuggets - n/a
"last 50 yrs Hawks" - n/a

What do the Nets look like compared to those other 3?

eminence wrote:What do the Nets look like compared to those other 3?

Yeah, I need to add them in. Off the cuff, I think they shape out just marginally below these teams. Outside of a few promising years with Jason Kidd at the helm, their NBA history is downright sad--->just to give you an idea: they have cracked 50 wins in the NBA exactly ONE time in 43 years........
But their ABA history is pretty strong.

Vote Cleveland

1 title, 5 finals, decent teams in the Price era. They could've gone in any time after 14

Ill go Hawks here. Again, there were more truly miserable years in Cleveland while the LeBron years raise them into contention, there were still a lot more years where it didn't truly suck to be a Hawks fan (Price years and Nique years pretty much cancel out). Cleveland is the last team in the mix at this level though; it's a dropoff to the Nuggets/Nets/Wizards, etc.

Vote: Tri-City/Milwaukee/St. Louis/Atlanta Blackhawks/Hawks

I'll go Cleveland Cavaliers now. At some point I have to credit the five Finals appearances and one championship, even if I wasn't that impressed by the organisation during most of that period.

I’ll vote Cleveland Cavaliers again for reasons suggested previously

Count is:

Cavs - 3
Hawks - 1

I'll call this one for the Cavs and we'll move on to #19.