What you you learned at age y is also different than what you learned at age 16 or age 26
What is subjective opinion and what is truth?
Nassim Taleb is accusing a lot science of being bull artistry based on peer approval alledgedly scientific peers.
He is even harder on journalists. Journalists care about peer approval not truth. Taleb thinks only engineering where the product has to actualluly work is truth based science and everything else is opinion.
You can't teach height. But better nutrition made the average man taller.
I doubt you can teach quickness. More athletic play at an early age probably improves quickness.
Isiah bitched about Jordan, "than if Jordan was 6' 1" like Isiah Jordan would be nothing." I think Isiah was correct, a 6' 1" Michael Jordan would not make an all start team and maybe would not even make the NBA. 6' 1" Bird and LeBron also probably can't make an NBA team. But Isiah failed to mention that Isiah with Bird's poor foot speed also can't make an NBA team.
Bird, Magic and Nash have court vision that LeBron simply does not have.
Dennis Johnson had worse court vision than Bird and worse court vision than LeBron and Dennis Johnson was not even a point guard until later in his NBA career but he did learn to run an offense and he did rack up,a lot of assists by intellectually learning how to run an offense. You can teach an old dog new tricks.
1980s plays did no know that they should shoot more 3s and they did not even know hiw much they could improve their 3.point shooting with practice. We are born with innate gifts and defficiencies but practice can still accomplish great things.
LeBron had quickness and athleticism that Bird and Magic never had. Bird and Magic had better more creative basketball reactions and countermoves than LeBron ever had.
They used to talk about playground skills vs coached skills. LeBron's game does look more intellectually learned than creatively learned when compared to Bird.
Going back to this, I think LeBron is hurt on an all time ranking because he isn’t a natural basketball player, major parts of the game aren’t instinctual to him. Take his passing, he starts and spends years as a mainly drive and kick player. He was a great one, and yes there was a bit more, but mainly that was his passing acumen. I give him great credit for improving over time and now he can stand out top and pick teams apart. However, that just goes to prove the point that it is a learned skill for him. Other greats like Bird and Magic didn’t have to learn to have great floor vision and creation, they are natural players and could always do it. To them it is innate, not learned. (Lol at the post saying LeBron is a top three passer)
Another example is shooting. LeBron is a learned shooter. His form gives it away. The disrespect the Spurs showed him in the finals with young KL shows that. Pop flat out didn’t respect his jumper. Yes, better than letting him drive but still, just daring the best player in the league to take open shots is a sign and not a positive one for LeBron. Doug Christie has pointed out how LeBron looks down at his feet before shooting some threes (generally when he has the ball in iso). That glance down is a learned trigger allowing him to lineup the shot and his mechanics. Bird didn’t look down. He was a natural shooter.
LeBron is first and foremost a top flight athlete with a high BBIQ. Players like Bird or Magic are instinctual basketball players first. There is a difference and not a small one here. It doesn’t mean LeBron can’t surpass them (he is above Magic IMO because of defense).
However, to be GOAT one should be a supreme natural basketball player that has the key elements of the game come intuitively, a basketball savant able to play any style in any era at the top level of the game. LeBron to me isn’t that guy to me. He needs to play a certain style to be an all time great. Some will say this is a nonsense differentiation, I think at the GOAT level an athlete who plays basketball (learned) vs basketball player (innate) can be a separator.
I liked your thinking.
I agree that thera LeBron played in was perfect for his drive and kick game. His very good but not great court vision was good enough to be very effective with modern floor spacing.
I will disagree that the GOAT must be a great natural basketball player.
Give me a 12 foot tall man who trips over his own feet, has no natural athletic ability and never sees a basketball game until he is 30 years old. This hypothetical clumsy giant may destroy the game of basketball but he may also be the GOAT.
To me the most effective player at helping his team win is the GOAT and I don't care how the player helps his team win.
Longevity vs Peak? A two year Peak is long enogh for me. Maybe even a one year peak. The best player ever is the best player ever even if it is for a brief time.