LukaTheGOAT wrote:1. Lebron
2. Kawhi (Shocker, I know, but I think 2017 Kawhi is an all-time season)
3. Stephen Curry
4./5. CP3/Kevin Durant (Impact metrics seem to like Paul more, but idk, KD's scoring barrage and ability to gel with GSW was something)
I feel really good about this top 5. I believe that CP3 played better in the playoffs then Westbrook and Harden, and based off his past body of work, believe he was a better player than those two at the time.
A few questions/comments here.
Considering 2017 has a good case for being Curry’s peak, do you consider Kawhi the better peak player?
How do you reconcile Kawhi’s injury in the playoffs? Do you see it as a fluke thing and don’t hold it against him? Regardless he ruined any chance of his team advancing and that has to be considered.
Cp3 over Westbrook that year for me is kinda ehh. Missing 21 games is no small deal, and while he had a pretty good series against Jazz, it still felt like a “probably winnable” series that they lost with homecourt. Westbrook completely carried that team to 47-48 wins and his team fell apart with him on the bench in the playoffs.
I do consider Kawhi's peak as better than Curry's. I don't know how to measure Curry in 2016, but when healthy I would consider Curry in 2016 a better player than Kawhi at any point. Also since we were talking about them as players, I kind of just assumed if we have everyone at full strength, then this would be my list, but you make a good point about Kawhi's injury. Kawhi felt like he could come back however at the time, so considering he was capable of playing, I feel like maybe I shouldn't be too harsh (it was a coach's decision if I am remembering correctly).
My reason for having Kawhi higher is that I really buy his playoff sample and what he has consistently done. I think he was a better scorer than Curry considering he had less spacing and talent to help him. Kawhi's 2017 PS, is #4 all-time in BPM (#3 all-time behind LBJ and MJ if you exclude Hakeem who only played a few games in the first round). His 2017 PS run I believe is #2 since 2001, with only 2017 Lebron being higher. I think his defense really ramped up in the PS, as his RS on that end was lackluster for his standards. I think his 2017 playoff run as a scorer is probably better than anything Steph has done in the PS, but I could very well be wrong.
With CP3 he did miss his fair share of games, but honestly going with the full strength ideology I said before, I think CP3 was better and since he had been better in past years, I rolled with CP3. Impact metrics seem to paint CP3 as clearly superior to Westbrook, whether you look at PIPM or RAPM, and I feel like CP3 can gell better with more talent in a hypothetical scenario, while having good efficiency. On the other hand, I think we saw Westbrook in the perfect situation for his game and I believe he was less impactful and further more I think CP3 with his defense provides more if both their shots are off. In the end Westbrook was less impactful in a perfect situation for him and I think he would have trouble doing what he did in OKC on other contender teams.