E-Balla wrote: Dundalis wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Exactly. And KP is a no name player? Like his post is absurd.
You're full of it. At the start of the season no one was talking about Dallas even with KP, because no one knew anyone else on the team. Yeah, Kleber and Finney Smith, and Seth Curry and Hardaway Jnr. All these established, well known quality NBA starters. Please. Literally every player of significance put up career shooting years or close to it this season. At the same time. These aren't young players in their early 20's with no or little NBA history. A bunch of guys in their late 20's all having career shooting years at once. That's not indicative of Dallas having an incredible team. It's a whole bunch of luck, combined with a great system implemented by an elite coach and a heap of pressure taken off these role players to produce because literally everything falls on the shoulders of a 21 year old, so they get to comfortably play their role without having to do more than their talent level allows. But yeah, pretend that because the offensive efficiency (not the offense itself, there is in fact a difference) was the best ever, this is some team with elite offensive talent around Luka. There's literally not one player outside Luka that can reliably create their own offense. Even KP needs to be fed, and his TS is 55.1% during the season, which is a career best, yet still not very good.
This post is why people who don't read the board often need to refrain from discussions like the infamy of players.
Maxi is in his 3rd season and has been a good player for 3 years now.
Dorian Finney-Smith has been a strong defender his whole career and recently improved to be a 38% shooter from deep - that's not on Luka it's on him hitting the gym.
As far as Seth and Timmy go you don't know who you're talking to pretty obviously.
I've been on the Seth Curry bandwagon for 5 years (I know you're thinking, "but he wasn't even in the league 5 years ago," and you're right which is why I started a thread 5 years ago about how much he needs to be in the league) and I've loved Timmy ever since Bud whipped him up into a good player.
A far as KP goes I've never been high on him as a first option but without Luka around he's averaging 27 ppg on 59 TS% in a 10 game sample. Luka isn't the reason he's efficient, actually if you take out his games without Luka this isn't his most efficient season.
None of those guys were established and well known prior to this season, but that doesn't mean they're not good. It just means 99% of fans don't make it a habit to watch lottery teams so they wouldn't know the names of any standout performers on lottery squads. Ask any Knicks fan how they feel about KP and Trey Burke. Timmy... Well most of them still hate him from the San Antonio game winner that destroyed our tank in 2015 but beyond that he's grown into a great player under Bud.
If it was Luka making their offense so great and not great coaching and shooters how come when he missed games earlier this year they were the best offense even without him? If he's making them so great how come their ORTG in minutes without him would still rank top 5?
No idea what your first sentance has to do with anything. Maybe you should actually read what I said, because you've gone full strawman mode. Maxi has not been a good NBA level starter whatsoever. He's been a good NBA bench level player who can ocassionally start, predominantly because he provided very little on offense. His career year shooting from deep has slightly changed that narrative. He's still a bench player on any elite team full stop though. Same goes for DFS. Neither of those two guys start on the Nuggets. Neither does Curry, or THJ. Being on Seth Curry's bandwagon doesn't mean anything, I never said he's a bad player. I said he's not an NBA starter on a very good team. If he was, he wouldn't have been a bench player most of his career. And yeah, THJ was such an efficient scorer for the Knicks lol. Dude was a flat out net negative for your team and every Knicks fan wanted rid of his contract. You don't get it. I'm saying the Mavs don't have starting caliber NBA starters outside of Luka and KP. Maybe starters on bad teams, but NOT on an elite championship level teams. They are all high level bench players, and what proves it is the fact that they have mostly all been bench players and not starters the majority of their careers.
I've always said, Dallas has one of the best benches in the league, because statistically the last two years they have. However they do not have a good starting lineup, and Luka has had to carry that starting unit, which is partially why his on off stats aren't so great (because the bench that comes in, is in fact great vs other benches). That plus the very small sample size will get you great offensive ratings when Luka isn't on the floor. I also never gave Luka full credit for all of it. I said it's a combination of Luka and great coaching, which is geared around emphasizing analytics and taking the highest value shots (3's and layups). Players are given roles that empasise their limited ability and don't force them to play outside their strengths which would drastically drop their efficency over longer sample sizes (Luka gives them that luxury against starting units). Big reason why THJ's efficiency is a career best, NOT cause he's become a dead eye shooter over one season. Which is what I was saying in my previous post if you actually read it.