Order the following players by where they would be on your all time list:
Dennis Johnson
Cedric Maxwell
James Worthy
Joe Dumars
Chauncey Billups
Tony Parker
Andre Iguodola
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Should also include Paul Piece and Kawhi's first fmvp.
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Nice thread!
Iguodala is the last. No doubt about that for me. Though the remaining names are a challenge. I ran a quick tournament with double bracket elimination in myself to see what the list would look like. I guess it's something like this;
Tony Parker
Dennis Johnson
Chauncey Billups
James Worthy
Joe Dumars
Cedric Maxwell
Andre Iguodala
Between Maxwell and Worthy, I'd probably get Maxwell if I had a team. But Worthy's college career is too big to overlook and his career totals are more impressive.
Similar for DJ and Billups versus Parker. But Parker retired with so much more than anyone else on that list. More than 19k points (52nd) and 7k assists (19th) in the NBA history. More than 4k points (9th) and 1k assists (5th) in the NBA playoffs history.
In the NBA playoffs history, Parker is literally in the top 10 of 2 out of 3 major statistical categories.
Iguodala is the last. No doubt about that for me. Though the remaining names are a challenge. I ran a quick tournament with double bracket elimination in myself to see what the list would look like. I guess it's something like this;
Tony Parker
Dennis Johnson
Chauncey Billups
James Worthy
Joe Dumars
Cedric Maxwell
Andre Iguodala
Between Maxwell and Worthy, I'd probably get Maxwell if I had a team. But Worthy's college career is too big to overlook and his career totals are more impressive.
Similar for DJ and Billups versus Parker. But Parker retired with so much more than anyone else on that list. More than 19k points (52nd) and 7k assists (19th) in the NBA history. More than 4k points (9th) and 1k assists (5th) in the NBA playoffs history.
In the NBA playoffs history, Parker is literally in the top 10 of 2 out of 3 major statistical categories.
The issue with per75 numbers;
36pts on 27 fga/9 fta in 36 mins, does this mean he'd keep up the efficiency to get 48pts on 36fga/12fta in 48 mins?
The answer; NO. He's human, not a linearly working machine.
Per75 is efficiency rate, not actual production.
36pts on 27 fga/9 fta in 36 mins, does this mean he'd keep up the efficiency to get 48pts on 36fga/12fta in 48 mins?
The answer; NO. He's human, not a linearly working machine.
Per75 is efficiency rate, not actual production.
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Dennis Johnson is such an interesting player. He wasn't good at this great PGs usually are - he was always a mediocre shooter and scorer, he also wasn't dynamic playmaker.
That said, he was one of the most athletic guards in the league when he was young and his defense was spectacular in Seattle (watch late 1970s Sonics games if you don't believe me). He also became such a dependable floor general in Boston - he was great at securing the ball, he knew what to do within offensive system and despite being not dynamic playmaker, he was fantastic passer.
I really struggle to rate DJ impact and I've seen a lot of his games from various seasons. He's just not that great offensively, yet he seemed to have huge impact on his teams.
That said, he was one of the most athletic guards in the league when he was young and his defense was spectacular in Seattle (watch late 1970s Sonics games if you don't believe me). He also became such a dependable floor general in Boston - he was great at securing the ball, he knew what to do within offensive system and despite being not dynamic playmaker, he was fantastic passer.
I really struggle to rate DJ impact and I've seen a lot of his games from various seasons. He's just not that great offensively, yet he seemed to have huge impact on his teams.
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1 Worthy
2 Billups
3 Dumars
4 Parker
5 Iguodala
6 Maxwell
7 Johnson
2 Billups
3 Dumars
4 Parker
5 Iguodala
6 Maxwell
7 Johnson
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Chauncey Billups
Tony Parker
James Worthy
Joe Dumars
Dennis Johnson
Andre Iguodala (or possibly I could see Andre marginally ahead of DJ by this point; we'll see after I update my list at the conclusion of this season)
Cedric Maxwell
Tony Parker
James Worthy
Joe Dumars
Dennis Johnson
Andre Iguodala (or possibly I could see Andre marginally ahead of DJ by this point; we'll see after I update my list at the conclusion of this season)
Cedric Maxwell
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Dumars was refined and well-rounded but Iguodala's size, defense, and transition ability make that comparison tough for me. Joe has a higher profile but I'm leaning Iggy there.
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trex_8063 wrote:Chauncey Billups
Tony Parker
James Worthy
Joe Dumars
Dennis Johnson
Andre Iguodala (or possibly I could see Andre marginally ahead of DJ by this point; we'll see after I update my list at the conclusion of this season)
Cedric Maxwell
That's probably my list as well though I'd be sort of tempted to put Dumars over Worthy due to the defensive advantage.