2009 All-NBA 1st vs 2020 All-NBA 1st

[Matt15]

Who wins?

2009
G-Dwyane Wade
G-Kobe Bryant
F-Lebron James
F-Dirk Nowitzki
C-Dwight Howard

2020
G-Luka Doncic
G-James Harden
F-Lebron James
F-Giannis Antetokounmpo
C-Anthony Davis

[Odinn21]

Don't think Giannis and AD frontcourt is good enough to make up for the difference between guards and James versions. Doubt if they are the better frontcourt at all.
So, 2009.

[Freighttrain]

wade = doncic
bryant > harden
lebron = lebron (lol)
dirk < giannis
Howard < davis

I'd honestly only give Kobe the only edge on the 2009 team. If we're talking 1v1 matchups 2020 wins fairly easy. If this is more of a better team equation, I'd say 2009 has the better synergy.

[GSP]

09 is better at every position except C but thats b/c Ad is a better player than Dwight but not a better center

The fit is also much better. No brainer IMO

[Cavsfansince84]

wade = doncic
bryant > harden
lebron = lebron (lol)
dirk < giannis
Howard < davis

I'd honestly only give Kobe the only edge on the 2009 team. If we're talking 1v1 matchups 2020 wins fairly easy. If this is more of a better team equation, I'd say 2009 has the better synergy.

09 Wade is a good bit better than 2020 Harden imo. Also though, 09 LeBron is like a full tier better than 20 LeBron and in playoffs or big games I'd also choose Dirk over Giannis.

[Lakers LeBron]

Any time these topics come up there is always a bias towards older teams. You could put up any All-NBA from the last 40 years and compare it to the current team and it would be near unanimously in favor of the older team.

I think it's because older players are being judged based on the entirety of their careers and the flaws they may have had it those particular seasons are forgotten whereas the flaws current players have are very much in our mind. Like Dirk is considered a big time clutch player because of the 2011 playoffs, but if you were evaluating the 2009 team in 2009, you'd consider Dirk to be something of a choker and a weak point of the team.

Likewise Giannis now is considered a playoff underperformer, but by the time his career is over he'll almost certainly have a few great playoff runs. And 10 years from now when we look back at the 2020 team, we won't judge him based on his perceived failures in 2020, we'll look at his sucesses and say he was always that person, he just needed the right coach and supporting cast. But we're evaluating the 2020 team in 2020 and the 2009 team in 2020; so right now Giannis is still a question in the playoffs and Dirk is a monster playoff performer who vanquished the Heat

[Homer38]

2009 and this is not close.

[Vladimir777]

Any time these topics come up there is always a bias towards older teams. You could put up any All-NBA from the last 40 years and compare it to the current team and it would be near unanimously in favor of the older team.

I think it's because older players are being judged based on the entirety of their careers and the flaws they may have had it those particular seasons are forgotten whereas the flaws current players have are very much in our mind. Like Dirk is considered a big time clutch player because of the 2011 playoffs, but if you were evaluating the 2009 team in 2009, you'd consider Dirk to be something of a choker and a weak point of the team.

Likewise Giannis now is considered a playoff underperformer, but by the time his career is over he'll almost certainly have a few great playoff runs. And 10 years from now when we look back at the 2020 team, we won't judge him based on his perceived failures in 2020, we'll look at his sucesses and say he was always that person, he just needed the right coach and supporting cast. But we're evaluating the 2020 team in 2020 and the 2009 team in 2020; so right now Giannis is still a question in the playoffs and Dirk is a monster playoff performer who vanquished the Heat

Definitely a lot of truth to this. I voted for the '88 team in the other All-NBA 1st Team thread, but perhaps I was biased due to age, but I just can't pick against MJ, Bird, and Magic all at pretty close to their peak. But I was one of two people to vote for the '20 team here. Maybe it's because I didn't watch basketball in 2009 very much, but my guy just says 2020 here.

[OverAndOut]

I don't even want to imagine the things 09 Wade and 09 Kobe would do to Luka and Harden