2klegend wrote:Wow Lebron edges out Jordan @ GOAT?? That is crazy to think considering 10 years later, people will forget the legacy of Lebron than MJ.
You need to start conceptualizing all-time player comparisons with the recognition that there are many, many different lists that can be made based on different attribute focus.
What you're talking about is essentially culture significance to basketball. We can make lists on that, but this Top 100 has never focused on that, which is why George Mikan not only isn't a lock for Top 5, but isn't even really considered.
I've seen your subsequent posts where you described this as only one facet of a larger whole for player comparison. What you need to understand, other than the fact that you're focusing here on something that's not what's being emphasized, is that it is inherently subjective how much to weight each of these aspects of things.
We can disagree on how impactful a player's scoring ability is, but we all tend to at least see a player's scoring ability as something that tends to dramatically shape what he can accomplish on the basketball court. When we get into domains such as the one you're speaking to here, the person-to-person, there's just going to be a lot of variance.
And you've got to accept that variance if you want to have good discussions where people can learn from each other. You've got to recognize when you're starting to talk past each other and at least try to just agree to disagree.
With all that said, yeah, it's a really big f-ing deal that we've put LeBron at #1. It's quite understandable you have a visceral reaction to it. I think we all do. Making a list where I actually put LeBron at #1 felt very strange to me, and I've explained my specific uncertainties about it. Know that I did not do so lightly or out of any obvious form of ignorance.
I may be wrong, but I've considered a great deal. The same is true for pretty much everyone on the panel who displayed and incredible amount of knowledge and evidence of intellectual processing in the last thread as people voted for the various people they voted for.
I mean, I'm very much in the camp that thinks Wilt had massive issues that hamper him on this particular list, but I saw some really compelling arguments for him.
And I think that's fantastic.
Hey: With what's going on in the world, my fuse is shorter than it used to be, and it's leading my lose my cool and then go on self-imposed breaks from things (such as RealGM). Please try to keep it civil, and I'll be looking to do the same.