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MyUniBroDavis wrote:What is this javale + kuz for robinson stuff lol
I mean its an easy yes objectively but no way knicks are that dumb
mademan wrote:LikeABosh wrote:limbo wrote:A dude that is an elite defender
Where are people getting this from?
People didnt watch the Raps enough. Theyre gonna miss his scoring/spacing, not his defense
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.
lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
homecourtloss wrote:mademan wrote:LikeABosh wrote:
Where are people getting this from?
People didnt watch the Raps enough. Theyre gonna miss his scoring/spacing, not his defense
Gasol will be a plus defender even relative to his position, i.e., center, probably until he retires.
—8th in D-PIPM
—10th in DRPM
—6th in DRAPTOR
Should have been an all-NBA defense candidate in the regular season.
He also shot 39.7% on wide open threes last year, the types of threes he’d get in BRon/AD lineups.
His shot was awful in the playoffs and his defense wasn’t as impactful, but other than that, Gasol at the 5 would be a steal for the Lakers and make them better offensively and defensively than with:
—McGee: give up the lob threat on offense and court running but gain spacing; in the regular season, Lakers had some of their highest Ortgs in 5 man lineups even with McGee being a non-shooter as long as LeBron was on court; Gasol is simply a better defender) or
—Howard: give up the lob threat that Howard was on offense, lose his rebounding especially offensive, but spacing. Gasol was actually a much better rim protector than Howard last year as well,
MyUniBroDavis wrote:Slava wrote:dcstanley wrote:If they can secure Gasol and retain Morris this offseason is a success. Schroeder is an upgrade on Rondo, Gasol/Trez > Javale/Dwight, Matthews = Green. I think it'll be difficult to complain about the job Pelinka did.
Still think they are one wing defender short unless Horton Tucker looks ready to play. I wonder if Ariza has anything left in the tank when he gets bought out.
Dont we have the same amount of wing defenders as last year?
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LikeABosh wrote:homecourtloss wrote:mademan wrote:
People didnt watch the Raps enough. Theyre gonna miss his scoring/spacing, not his defense
Gasol will be a plus defender even relative to his position, i.e., center, probably until he retires.
—8th in D-PIPM
—10th in DRPM
—6th in DRAPTOR
Should have been an all-NBA defense candidate in the regular season.
He also shot 39.7% on wide open threes last year, the types of threes he’d get in BRon/AD lineups.
His shot was awful in the playoffs and his defense wasn’t as impactful, but other than that, Gasol at the 5 would be a steal for the Lakers and make them better offensively and defensively than with:
—McGee: give up the lob threat on offense and court running but gain spacing; in the regular season, Lakers had some of their highest Ortgs in 5 man lineups even with McGee being a non-shooter as long as LeBron was on court; Gasol is simply a better defender) or
—Howard: give up the lob threat that Howard was on offense, lose his rebounding especially offensive, but spacing. Gasol was actually a much better rim protector than Howard last year as well,
We were talking about Ibaka
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.
lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
JulesWinnfield wrote:Reading between the tweets by Shams, seems like Gasol is down to Toronto and LA and is waiting on LA to create more flexibility for a better offer. Seems like if the Lakers can find a way to up it they’ll get him, and if not he will go back to the Raptors. You’d have to think he’d sign with the Lakers if they can make a move for more flexibility, otherwise he would have already just signed in Toronto
Slava wrote:MyUniBroDavis wrote:Slava wrote:
Still think they are one wing defender short unless Horton Tucker looks ready to play. I wonder if Ariza has anything left in the tank when he gets bought out.
Dont we have the same amount of wing defenders as last year?
Yeah match ups broke favourably there, a full series against a Durant or Leonard might test the wings we currently have. Matthews is nice but 34 and KCP gives up a lot of size. I'd rather not rely on AD expending a full series against Durant.
iggymcfrack wrote: I have Bird #19 and Kobe #20 on my all-time list and both guys will probably get passed by Jokic by the end of this season.
LikeABosh wrote:JulesWinnfield wrote:Reading between the tweets by Shams, seems like Gasol is down to Toronto and LA and is waiting on LA to create more flexibility for a better offer. Seems like if the Lakers can find a way to up it they’ll get him, and if not he will go back to the Raptors. You’d have to think he’d sign with the Lakers if they can make a move for more flexibility, otherwise he would have already just signed in Toronto
Unless Toronto hasn't given him a reasonable offer yet. Probably lowballing him
MyUniBroDavis wrote:Slava wrote:MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Dont we have the same amount of wing defenders as last year?
Yeah match ups broke favourably there, a full series against a Durant or Leonard might test the wings we currently have. Matthews is nice but 34 and KCP gives up a lot of size. I'd rather not rely on AD expending a full series against Durant.
I agree wing D is our biggest weakness if we get morris and marc, our wing defenders would be
Lebron/AD/Wesley/(kuz?)
And you dont really want AD or bron in those positions full time
Im curious if harrell can suddenly be a good perimeter defender, hes shown flashes
+ = limbo wrote:If they can offer Gasol a satisfiable amount of money, then i'm pretty confident they can get him. Lakers just have much more to offer outside of salary, like being in LA > Toronto (possibly, dunno if Gasol really values that personally) a better chance for a title and a perhaps underrated reason is that his brother Pau is a Laker legend. Marc's already won a title in Toronto anyway, i think winning another one as a Laker and share that connection with his big brother sounds compelling.
JulesWinnfield wrote:I know he’s a total knucklehead who doesn’t impact the game anywhere close to where his stats may lead someone to believe, but I can’t lie... if news broke that the Lakers got Whiteside for the vet minimum I’d be excited
Greyhound wrote:JulesWinnfield wrote:I know he’s a total knucklehead who doesn’t impact the game anywhere close to where his stats may lead someone to believe, but I can’t lie... if news broke that the Lakers got Whiteside for the vet minimum I’d be excited
I thought Whiteside agreed to terms with Sacramento.
JulesWinnfield wrote:I know he’s a total knucklehead who doesn’t impact the game anywhere close to where his stats may lead someone to believe, but I can’t lie... if news broke that the Lakers got Whiteside for the vet minimum I’d be excited
limbo wrote:If they can offer Gasol a satisfiable amount of money, then i'm pretty confident they can get him. Lakers just have much more to offer outside of salary, like being in LA > Toronto (possibly, dunno if Gasol really values that personally) a better chance for a title and a perhaps underrated reason is that his brother Pau is a Laker legend. Marc's already won a title in Toronto anyway, i think winning another one as a Laker and share that connection with his big brother sounds compelling.
Greyhound wrote:I may be in the minority here, but I do not like the idea of giving away McGee (who is very productive in limited minutes) just to up the offer to a guy (Marc Gasol) who could be 100% baked.
Marc as a vet minimum signing (to add a savvy big body to the roster) is one thing. Trading away players and clearing space for him is another.
I say no dice.
Greyhound wrote:I may be in the minority here, but I do not like the idea of giving away McGee (who is very productive in limited minutes) just to up the offer to a guy (Marc Gasol) who could be 100% baked.
Marc as a vet minimum signing (to add a savvy big body to the roster) is one thing. Trading away players and clearing space for him is another.
I say no dice.
iggymcfrack wrote: I have Bird #19 and Kobe #20 on my all-time list and both guys will probably get passed by Jokic by the end of this season.
