Peak: Barkley vs. Durant
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:47 pm
Who do you guys have as the higher peak between Barkley and KD?
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Cavsfansince84 wrote:Is this just for a rs, a ps run, a playoff series or rs+ps? Personally I think KD may have peaked higher for a rs in 2014 by a slim margin but I think Barkley probably peaked higher in the playoffs. KD's gs numbers are a bit skewered imo. I think if I need a guy to lead my team into a playoff series as the #1 guy I would pick peak Chuck between the two.
Odinn21 wrote:Cavsfansince84 wrote:Is this just for a rs, a ps run, a playoff series or rs+ps? Personally I think KD may have peaked higher for a rs in 2014 by a slim margin but I think Barkley probably peaked higher in the playoffs. KD's gs numbers are a bit skewered imo. I think if I need a guy to lead my team into a playoff series as the #1 guy I would pick peak Chuck between the two.
It's usually a single season (whole season, rs+ps) about peak.
I'd take 1990 Barkley over 2014 or 2016 Durant. It's also worth noting that I think Barkley's average prime quality was better. It's not just 1990 for him as if it was McGrady's 2003, an outlier. From 1989 to 1993, with 1992 being a down season, he was constantly on that level for 4 seasons. He wasn't far off in 1988 as well, but I'm usually hesitant with only rs season when it comes to peaks and primes.
Drygon wrote:Charles Barkley was a fantastic, but 2017 KD blows him out of the water.
Anyone who argues Barkley for having a higher peak is trolling.
Lost92Bricks wrote:Drygon wrote:Charles Barkley was a fantastic, but 2017 KD blows him out of the water.
Anyone who argues Barkley for having a higher peak is trolling.
lol what an overexaggeration. Nobody blows Barkley "out of the water". He was a dominant MVP-level, all-time great just like KD was. They are in the same tier.
Laimbeer wrote:If I take this as who helps win a title, I don't see an argument for Barkley. If you're looking at raw ability, tools, and stats, maybe Barkley.
Laimbeer wrote:If I take this as who helps win a title, I don't see an argument for Barkley. If you're looking at raw ability, tools, and stats, maybe Barkley.
freethedevil wrote:Lost92Bricks wrote:Drygon wrote:Charles Barkley was a fantastic, but 2017 KD blows him out of the water.
Anyone who argues Barkley for having a higher peak is trolling.
lol what an overexaggeration. Nobody blows Barkley "out of the water". He was a dominant MVP-level, all-time great just like KD was. They are in the same tier.
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That both won mvp does not disprove there was a wide disparity in quality. ow there probablly wasn't, but "they'r eboth all time greates, they're both dominant mvp-level" tells us absoltely nothing.
freethedevil wrote::/
That both won mvp does not disprove there was a wide disparity in quality. ow there probablly wasn't, but "they'r eboth all time greates, they're both dominant mvp-level" tells us absoltely nothing.
DQuinn1575 wrote:freethedevil wrote:Lost92Bricks wrote:lol what an overexaggeration. Nobody blows Barkley "out of the water". He was a dominant MVP-level, all-time great just like KD was. They are in the same tier.
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That both won mvp does not disprove there was a wide disparity in quality. ow there probablly wasn't, but "they'r eboth all time greates, they're both dominant mvp-level" tells us absoltely nothing.
It’s tiring when people throw insults out at people rather than giving an opinion based on facts. literaly no one threw out insults and everything you said was an opinion so..... Both players will be ranked in the 20s all-time- debate that in the top 100 section- and both won mvp over what most people consider one of the two greatest players of all time. amazing you're listing a prediction of future opinoins. Incredible.If someone really believes that there is absolutely no basis to choose either one over the other, and expresses that opinion in an insulting way, then it is really a waste of my time to respond any more.now see this is the closest anyone's come in this thread to an insult.
Odinn21 wrote:Laimbeer wrote:If I take this as who helps win a title, I don't see an argument for Barkley. If you're looking at raw ability, tools, and stats, maybe Barkley.
How did Durant perform well enough to earn such argument other than joining an already historic team?
If Durant was good at winning a title in the way you put, he would do better in OKC and wouldn't feel the need to join the Warriors.
Lost92Bricks wrote:freethedevil wrote::/
That both won mvp does not disprove there was a wide disparity in quality. ow there probablly wasn't, but "they'r eboth all time greates, they're both dominant mvp-level" tells us absoltely nothing.
Okay then look at them from an analytical point of view. Still similar.
is that what we're calling 'look who he won mvp over, fg percentage+ppg/rebounds? You don't even bother attempting a comparison here.
Barkley was averaging like 28/12 shooting close to 60% from the field. He was ridiculous.
Westbrook had a triple double ridiculous
And Barkley didn't just win MVP, he won it over MJ and Hakeem during their primes.
Westbrook won mvp over lebron, curry, durant, kawhi, and harden in their primes.
Laimbeer wrote:Odinn21 wrote:Laimbeer wrote:If I take this as who helps win a title, I don't see an argument for Barkley. If you're looking at raw ability, tools, and stats, maybe Barkley.
How did Durant perform well enough to earn such argument other than joining an already historic team?
If Durant was good at winning a title in the way you put, he would do better in OKC and wouldn't feel the need to join the Warriors.
Would OKC been better with Barkley? Would GSW have been better with Barkley? It's subjective, but I think the answer to both is no.
freethedevil wrote:DQuinn1575 wrote:freethedevil wrote::/
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Laimbeer wrote:If I take this as who helps win a title, I don't see an argument for Barkley. If you're looking at raw ability, tools, and stats, maybe Barkley.