Examples of Wilt getting let down by his trash can teammates in the playoffs

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Re: Examples of Wilt getting let down by his trash can teammates in the playoffs 

Post#21 » by ty 4191 » Thu Apr 8, 2021 5:50 pm

ZeppelinPage wrote:Wilt could not be as physical as Shaq due to the rules of the era. Not even sure what killer instinct really means.


Exactly!!!!

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Re: Examples of Wilt getting let down by his trash can teammates in the playoffs 

Post#22 » by ty 4191 » Thu Apr 8, 2021 10:42 pm

ZeppelinPage wrote: Not even sure what killer instinct really means.


"Killer Instinct" is a hollow, meaningless phrase.

In 36 Closeout games Wilt averaged 23.4 ppg (and a 3.3pt win). In 22 Elimination games Wilt averaged 31.2 ppg (and a 5.7pt win). In 11 Game 7's, Wilt averaged 29.9ppg (and a 6.6pt win).

Some of the best work I've seen to date. (Contravening the popular construal of Wilt as a "Loser")

"Changing the Wilt Chamberlain "Loser" Narrative; One Reader at a Time"
https://www.sportsblog.com/sportatistics/changing-the-wilt-chamberlain-loser-narrative-one-reader-at-a-time/#:~:text=In%2036%20Closeout%20games%20Wilt,additional%20commentary%20regarding%20the%20results.
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Re: Examples of Wilt getting let down by his trash can teammates in the playoffs 

Post#23 » by 70sFan » Fri Apr 9, 2021 8:36 am

Mazter wrote:His argument was that Wilt's scoring declined in the play offs, but he never dumped Wilt down to the food chain. "Sucked" and "couldn't score" is a term only you used in this topic.

He said that: " He was a regular season, flat-track, bully who wasn't able to replicate that level of play against good competition."

Not really, in includes the amount of minutes he had in the play offs with the scoring rate of the RS, which for the 1963 season would be 0 minutes and 0 points.

So you adjusted his RS average to games played in playoffs? If so, it looks like this:

26.8 ppg in RS
22.5 ppg in playoffs

There is a drop off, but not nearly that high. For 1960-68:

34.1 ppg in RS
29.3 ppg in playoffs


Well, it's also true that he played about 75% of his regular season games against not so great defenses...hence the reason why his regular season scoring averages were so high, and his play offs were not. Brings us back to the point Picko tried to make. Wilt's legacy is build on his regular season scoring records he broke and which many still believe he could also have done in the play offs. Which he didn't and probably couldn't. Can you imagine Shaq playing 12 games and 40+ minutes against the Clippers in 99/00?

Well, then this criticism doesn't make much sense, because no player ever played as well against great defenses as against good defenses. All players throughout history has played 75% of RS games against not so great defenses.

The difference is that Wilt played by far the biggest amount of playoffs games against GOAT-tier defenses among top 15 players ever. For some reason none of you include this to your analysis.

I'd never call Wilt a GOAT-level scorer, but to call him Rudy Gobert is ridiculous...
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Re: Examples of Wilt getting let down by his trash can teammates in the playoffs 

Post#24 » by ty 4191 » Fri Apr 9, 2021 2:27 pm

70sFan wrote: The difference is that Wilt played by far the biggest amount of playoffs games against GOAT-tier defenses among top 15 players ever. For some reason none of you include this to your analysis.


Including the playoffs, Wilt played 146 games against the Celtics from 1960-1969 alone. Elgin Baylor is the only notable player close to that, with 112 games played against the Celtics during that span.

Nobody has ever faced a Dynasty 20% of their games over a 10 year span.

Not even remotely close.

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