[Project] Top 5 single season peaks by franchises

Odinn21 · Post #1 » by **Odinn21** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:25 am

Hello. This is a project I have in mind for the last few weeks. Just opened this thread about it to see if it gets good enough traction to go ahead.

Things to follow;
- This project is franchise bound, not city bound. Quick example; Philadelphia Warriors from 1949-50 to 1961-62 is part of the Golden State Warriors franchise history and 1952 Arizin is eligible for the GS Warriors history.
- We'll follow continuity of the franchise. I.e. Seattle SuperSonics and Oklahoma City Thunder are the same franchise. We'll use BBRef as reference for this.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/
- ABA seasons are included.
- 2020-21 season is yet to be completed, so, it's not eligible for this project.
- One season per player, no duplicates within the franchise history. Quick example; Shaquille O'Neal can be voted for only once for the LA Lakers franchise history, and he can be voted for the Orlando Magic franchise history.

- Reg. season and postseason play, both are included in evaluations.
- Votes will be counted per player, not per version of player.
- An easy going point system of 10/7/5/3/1, the same as Retro PoY project, will be used. Number of higher placement votes will be the tiebreaker (if two players are tied at 27 points for the 1st place, the player with more 1st place votes will get it).
- Explanation is needed even in short form.
- The time frame for each team is 2 days (10:00 EST). This very first thread will have nearly 55 hours voting window.
- We'll be going alphabetically with franchise nicknames.

Philadelphia 76ers
Milwaukee Bucks
Chicago Bulls
Cleveland Cavaliers
Boston Celtics
Los Angeles Clippers
Memphis Grizzlies
Atlanta Hawks
Miami Heat
Charlotte Hornets
Utah Jazz
Sacramento Kings
New York Knicks
Los Angeles Lakers
Orlando Magic
Dallas Mavericks
Brooklyn Nets
Denver Nuggets
Indiana Pacers
New Orleans Pelicans
Detroit Pistons
Toronto Raptors
Houston Rockets
San Antonio Spurs
Phoenix Suns
Oklahoma City Thunder
Minnesota Timberwolves
Portland Trail Blazers
Golden State Warriors
Washington Wizards

Results on Google Sheet

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Dutchball97 · Post #2 » by **Dutchball97** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:32 am

I'd be down to participate, although I'd go for a ballot system to select the top 5 instead of individually voting for each spot. Might take a bit too long otherwise.

Post #3 » by **bondom34** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:32 am

I'd try to keep an eye on it

. I'll be honest, I'm not much of a historian on the NBA but am interested in learning and could chime in in spots maybe if that's cool if it does gain traction (I more know about the last decade or 2 plus maybe some 90s or some spotty stuff earlier).

Odinn21 · Post #4 » by **Odinn21** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:39 am

Dutchball97 wrote:I'd be down to participate, although I'd go for a ballot system to select the top 5 instead of individually voting for each spot. Might take a bit too long otherwise.

Ballot system requires more options than what's to be selected, no? We're ranking 3 players on our ballots for 1 spot in the top 100 project for instance. That's why I suggested a point system. People can vote their top 5 and then there'll be the results directly.

Dutchball97 · Post #5 » by **Dutchball97** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:44 am

Odinn21 wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:I'd be down to participate, although I'd go for a ballot system to select the top 5 instead of individually voting for each spot. Might take a bit too long otherwise.

Ballot system requires more options than what's to be selected, no? We're ranking 3 players on our ballots for 1 spot in the top 100 project for instance. That's why I suggested a point system. People can vote their top 5 and then there'll be the results directly.

Ah I thought you wanted to let people vote for 5 guys for each spot, looks like I misunderstood.

Odinn21 · Post #6 » by **Odinn21** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:45 am

Dutchball97 wrote:
Odinn21 wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:I'd be down to participate, although I'd go for a ballot system to select the top 5 instead of individually voting for each spot. Might take a bit too long otherwise.

Ballot system requires more options than what's to be selected, no? We're ranking 3 players on our ballots for 1 spot in the top 100 project for instance. That's why I suggested a point system. People can vote their top 5 and then there'll be the results directly.

Ah I thought you wanted to let people vote for 5 guys for each spot, looks like I misunderstood.

No, no. Just direct top 5. Nothing more. Similar to what we did in 5 year All-NBA teams project of 70sFan.

Jaivl · Post #7 » by **Jaivl** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:51 am

Another project to abandon mid-way like I did with the top 100 T_T but sure, looking forward to it!

HeartBreakKid · Post #8 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:12 am

I'm in! But my activity might be low until the top 100 finishes (I tend to do only one project at a time)

DCasey91 · Post #9 » by **DCasey91** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:22 am

Top 5 for each franchise? Wouldn’t that be around 150 places all up, that may run out of steam in the end. It’s a good idea actually but I do like the top 100 rank where each position is argued/or stated for for. Maybe top 50 peak seasons, with the same 1,2,3 voting system. Might throw up some interesting results who knows.

Odinn21 · Post #10 » by **Odinn21** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:44 am

DCasey91 wrote:Top 5 for each franchise? Wouldn’t that be around 150 places all up, that may run out of steam in the end. It’s a good idea actually but I do like the top 100 rank where each position is argued/or stated for for. Maybe top 50 peak seasons, with the same 1,2,3 voting system. Might throw up some interesting results who knows.

The idea is more focused around the peaks franchises got to experience. Not solely on peaks. There some tough, challenging calls. For example I get excited by thinking about the Hawks history. That’s the point of the project.

Dutchball97 · Post #11 » by **Dutchball97** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:13 am

Maybe it's an idea to do the franchises in order of success. It doesn't have to be an exact ranking of course but using something like regular season win % or total play-off wins would give you a decently representative list. Im not sure if starting with the best teams or worst teams would be preferable. The best teams generally have the best players as well, which would make most choices for those teams pretty straightforward, while we'd have to think a bit longer about a top 5 for the less succesful teams. On the other hand the better teams will also get more traction so maybe it's better to leave that for the end to keep up participation throughout the whole project.

LukaTheGOAT · Post #12 » by **LukaTheGOAT** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:00 am

I have finals and stuff coming up, so I don't know how much I'll be able to contribute to the project. But I hope it does well and gets traction.

sansterre · Post #13 » by **sansterre** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:02 am

I'm hesitant to commit because I've got a lot of work coming up on my next project. But I can cautiously contribute.

Odinn21 · Post #14 » by **Odinn21** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:18 pm

Dutchball97 wrote:Maybe it's an idea to do the franchises in order of success. It doesn't have to be an exact ranking of course but using something like regular season win % or total play-off wins would give you a decently representative list. Im not sure if starting with the best teams or worst teams would be preferable. The best teams generally have the best players as well, which would make most choices for those teams pretty straightforward, while we'd have to think a bit longer about a top 5 for the less succesful teams. On the other hand the better teams will also get more traction so maybe it's better to leave that for the end to keep up participation throughout the whole project.

If we start with the usual suspects, the traction will fade away quickly.
If we start with the worst teams, there might not be enough traction to go ahead.

4 possibilities;

- Directly alphabetical with city names

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- One from each end with city names

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- Directly alphabetical with franchise nicknames

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- One from each end with franchise nicknames

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I think #3 is quite balanced. Strong teams to begin with, strong teams to end with and the teams would bring attention is nicely scattered in the middle.

Vladimir777 · Post #15 » by **Vladimir777** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:58 pm

So it's basically the top 5 best players for each franchise (during the best years they played for that specific franchise), right? So, for the Lakers, you could have '87 Magic, '00 Shaq, '72 Wilt, '08 Kobe, and '20 LeBron? Something like that?

Cool idea. I'm curious to see how the Wizards will fare, as that's my home team. I imagine it'll be Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, '21 Brad Beal, John Wall, and maybe Gilbert Arenas? But curious to see how the voting will turn out.

At first I thought the thread meant the best five teams from each franchise's history, which would be cool, too ('96 Bulls, '91 Bulls, etc.). I guess Sansterre's list gives us something of an idea of that, too, but for the worse franchises, they don't have teams that make his top 100 project.

Odinn21 · Post #16 » by **Odinn21** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:07 pm

Vladimir777 wrote:So it's basically the top 5 best players for each franchise (during the best years they played for that specific franchise), right? So, for the Lakers, you could have '87 Magic, '00 Shaq, '72 Wilt, '08 Kobe, and '20 LeBron? Something like that?

Yeah, this is the gist. I thought about this approach because it’d lead us to think about out of the ordinary all-time things.

Odinn21 · Post #17 » by **Odinn21** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:22 pm

If we get a few more posters interested in this one, I’ll start it in 2 days time, the next week right away.

HeartBreakKid · Post #18 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:49 pm

Does the 2021 season count?

Odinn21 · Post #19 » by **Odinn21** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:04 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:Does the 2021 season count?

As it is now, it’s not a finished, full season. So, no.

Djoker · Post #20 » by **Djoker** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:11 pm

I'm in. It's a good idea for a project.