[Project] Top 5 single season peaks by franchises: The Bucks

[70sFan]

Out of curiosity what do some of you guys think of CP3 this season? And would you compare his impact on the Suns to something similar to what we see with Big O? Obviously Big O has a lot of talent to play with relative to the modern Suns, but more along the lines of how he's impacting the game and how his stats aren't really designed to capture his play style.

Would you guys take players like Ray Allen over 2021 CP3?

I always compare 1971 Oscar to 2018 Paul. I don't have much time to watch all teams this year, is there a significant difference between 2018 and 2021 Paul? He didn't seem to look much worse last year (I watched OKC games quite often) but he did seem to got slightly worse overall.

[Gibson22]

Cool project

[70sFan]

My votes:

1. 1973/74 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - I can also pick 1971 or 1972 versions, all have excellent cases. I just view this version to be the most refined offensively, differences are small though. It's GOAT-level peak, so clear choice.

2. 2018/19 Giannis Antetokumpo - I'd take 2019 Giannis over his 2020 version, because he was more impressive in playoffs overall, despite poor performance against Raptors.

3. 1970/71 Oscar Robertson - I know it's not popular choice, but Oscar was the same guy he was in late 1960s, he just had much different role in stacked team. When I watch healthy Oscar from the early 1970s, I view offensive maestro with good all-around game and decent defense.

4. 1984/85 Sidney Moncrief - excellent all-around player, I'd take his defense and agressive offensive output over Allen's excelletn shooting.

5. 1980/81 Marques Johnson - weak MVP level player to me, he didn't have any notable weaknesses in his game.

I feel that excluding 2001 Allen is wrong, but I can't take him over any of these players with my criteria.

[LA Bird]

Out of curiosity what do some of you guys think of CP3 this season? And would you compare his impact on the Suns to something similar to what we see with Big O? Obviously Big O has a lot of talent to play with relative to the modern Suns, but more along the lines of how he's impacting the game and how his stats aren't really designed to capture his play style.

Would you guys take players like Ray Allen over 2021 CP3?

I always compare 1971 Oscar to 2018 Paul. I don't have much time to watch all teams this year, is there a significant difference between 2018 and 2021 Paul? He didn't seem to look much worse last year (I watched OKC games quite often) but he did seem to got slightly worse overall.

Both 71 Oscar and 18 Paul were 32 years old and joined a team with an MVP level superstar which improved to 10+ SRS when they were healthy. Chris Paul right now is still playing really well for his age but he is not at that level anymore and is getting slightly worse each year. I would take 01 Allen over 20/21 Paul but not a healthy 18 Paul.

[trex_8063]

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ('71, I guess??) - He's the obviously pick for #1, imo. The only question is which year? It's gotta be between '71, '74, or maybe '72. I'll go with the year they won it all, mostly because the rs is substantially better than '74, the playoffs are better than '72; and as previously noted he faced murderer's row of defenders in the '71 playoffs, too.

2. Giannis Antetokounmpo ('20??) - Could go with '19, too. It's splitting hairs imo. I sort of like '20 a pinch better [at least in the rs], because although his minutes drop marginally, his usage and ast% go up while his tov% goes down slightly. His shooting efficiency is worse, however, mostly as a function of having an unusually down year at the FT-line. His finishing, 3pt shooting, and mid-range shooting were better than ever though that year.
He was fairly beastly in the playoffs, too, though did miss almost two games, which is a strike against '20.
So idk; I could go either way, really; but I'll stick with '20 for now.

3. Marques Johnson ('81) - Roughly a 20/7/5 statline on good shooting efficiency for a 60-win team. On limited eye-test Johnson looks decent defensively, too. They lost in the ECSF to an equally outstanding Philly team, though actually outscored the Sixers by 2.6 ppg in the 7-game loss. And it can hardly be blamed on Marques, who had a remarkable 24.9/9.4/4.9/1.4/1.4 series [with just 1.9 topg and good shooting efficiency, this against the 2nd-rated defense in the league.].
I initially put his peak 4th on this list, but upon reflection I think it deserves higher.

4. Ray Allen ('01) - Very underrated peak, and imo comfortably better than the "MVP" Iverson. Allen averaged 22/5/5 on solid efficiency, anchoring the leagues BEST offense [with not a tremendously impressive offensive supporting cast]. They came one game away from making the NBA finals [who would that change his legacy? and Iverson's?], scoring only 2 fewer points than Philly in the entire 7-game series.

5. Sidney Moncrief ('83) - I'm going with '83 for Moncrief: probably his peak scoring year (career high 22.5 ppg, while also near peak-level shooting efficiency [like nearly +7% rTS, iirc]); this while winning DPOY [though I think him a dubious selection, fwiw]. Drops the ball a little in the playoffs, but then that's why I have him 5th.


HM: '71 Oscar Robertson. Seriously hard cut, which I'm actually second-guessing. If I change my last pick to him, I'll notify you Odinn.

[Jaivl]

Out of curiosity what do some of you guys think of CP3 this season? And would you compare his impact on the Suns to something similar to what we see with Big O?

I thinlk '71 Oscar is better than current Paul, but worse than 2018.

Would you guys take players like Ray Allen over 2021 CP3?

Yes.

[Odinn21]

The Bucks results;

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1. 12- 0-0-0-0 / 120 points / 1.000 share / '71 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2.  0-12-0-0-0 /  84 points / 0.700 share / '19 Giannis Antetokounmpo
3.  0- 0-5-4-1 /  38 points / 0.317 share / '01 Ray Allen
4.  0- 0-4-1-1 /  24 points / 0.200 share / '71 Oscar Robertson
5.  0- 0-2-3-5 /  24 points / 0.200 share / '81 Marques Johnson

6.  0- 0-1-4-5 /  22 points / 0.183 share / '85 Sidney Moncrief

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