sansterre wrote:prolific passer wrote:sansterre wrote:From a stats point of view I'm surprised to find that I really like Hagan. Per season I probably like him more than Porter. The knock on Hagan is 25k minutes vs 35k from Porter.
Archibald had one fantastic season, where he took 31% of his team's shots and made them at around +5%, which is a damned good scoring season while also dishing a ton of assists. If we're going by peak, I see the argument. But Tiny (like McAdoo) has a very narrow peak and gets considerably less impressive as soon as you get away from his best two years, and metrics (within their considerable limits) rate him as a pretty bad defender (not least of which because he had a weirdly high turnover rate, even when he started taking fewer shots). In terms of overall career, Porter looks better to me - I'd only consider Tiny if I was looking at top year or two.
As for DJ . . . It's pretty obvious that Porter was the better offensive player in almost every way but offensive rebounding. The question is whether or not DJ's defense makes up the difference (and Porter was no slouch on that side of the ball) is fair, but I'm not really persuaded. I'd go DJ if I favored awards and team achievements, but Porter is the safer bet.
Porter had a nice stretch from 87-94 but those other guys had HOF careers and are more accomplished.
Basically a few stats vs a bunch of accolades and in today's world. Those few stats win.
As compared to yesterday's world where it was just a question of whether they were on a team that won a championship? That's not a super-persuasive argument.
Depends on what their role was on that championship team. Hagan was a #2 option. DJ was a finals mvp. Archibald was a starting point guard who put up good numbers.
Not talking about deep bench players here.
