Who's higher on your all time team? Bird, Hakeem or Kobe

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Who's higher on your all time team? Bird, Hawkeem or Kobe

Bird
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54%
Kobe
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12%
Hakeem
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34%
 
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Who's higher on your all time team? Bird, Hakeem or Kobe 

Post#1 » by mdonnelly1989 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:01 am

Who's higher on your all time team? Bird, Hakeem or Kobe
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Post#2 » by HeartBreakKid » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:06 am

Hakeem, because his nickname rhymes with his real name.
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Post#3 » by mdonnelly1989 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:16 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:Hakeem, because his nickname rhymes with his real name.



Hmm. So anything to do with Basketball?
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Post#4 » by wojoaderge » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:18 am

Bird - #6
Hakeem - #10
Kobe - #13
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Post#5 » by Colbinii » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:52 am

LeBron #1
Duncan #2
Jordan #3
Russell #4
Kareem #5
Garnett #6
Wilt #7
Magic #8
Hakeem #9
Shaq #10
Bird #11
Dirk #12
Oscar #13
Kobe #14

I mostly do tiers now though and one tier is LeBron through Wilt, the next is Magic through Dirk and then Oscar and Kobe are with about 7 or 8 other guys.
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Post#6 » by fpliii » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:02 am

Probably Hakeem.
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Post#7 » by SNPA » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:21 am

Bird. This is easy and Kobe doesn’t belong with the others.
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Post#8 » by s0ciety » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:28 am

fpliii wrote:Probably Hakeem. Rough tiers:

Jordan/Russell
Hakeem/Shaq/Magic
LeBron/Kareem/Garnett/Duncan
Bird/Curry/West
Kobe/Durant/Robinson/Oscar
Wilt/Paul/Nash/Dirk



LeBron and Kareem Tier 3?
What is the reasoning here ? (No judgement on my part, I'm just curious of your criteria)
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Post#9 » by s0ciety » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:29 am

Hakeem>Bird>Kobe
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Post#10 » by Fundamentals21 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:49 am

Will be the same as always was...

Hakeem
Kobe
Bird

In that order.
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Post#11 » by henshao » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:01 am

Kobe is not on the same level as Larry and Dream IMO. Between the Rocket and the Celtic, though, it may depend on how much you value defense. Most top 10 rankings will have Larry higher than Hakeem but head to head you can defensibly go either way...Personally it's like deciding which is my favorite child but I reluctantly would take Hakeem. Larry however in the modern era would be beyond bonkers, I really think he would be more impressive even than Jokic
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Post#12 » by LeBird » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:20 am

It seems 90s nostalgists love to overrate both Kobe and Hakeem. Bird is a legit GOAT candidate. The other two are a tier below, in that 10-15 ATG rank.
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Post#13 » by Colbinii » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:58 am

LeBird wrote:It seems 90s nostalgists love to overrate both Kobe and Hakeem. Bird is a legit GOAT candidate. The other two are a tier below, in that 10-15 ATG rank.


Bird isn't a goat candidate to me. Not a good enough defender, relatively poor longevity and not as resilient in the post-season as LeBron/Jordan/Duncan.
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Post#14 » by SNPA » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:04 am

Colbinii wrote:
LeBird wrote:It seems 90s nostalgists love to overrate both Kobe and Hakeem. Bird is a legit GOAT candidate. The other two are a tier below, in that 10-15 ATG rank.


Bird isn't a goat candidate to me. Not a good enough defender, relatively poor longevity and not as resilient in the post-season as LeBron/Jordan/Duncan.

Advance stats love early Bird on defense. Longevity matters for career value, not peak. And LeBron cakewalked through a flat out terrible East most of his career, Bird was literally in a fight often and up against brutal teams a significant portion of the time, not at all comparable.
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Post#15 » by Colbinii » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:10 am

SNPA wrote:
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LeBird wrote:It seems 90s nostalgists love to overrate both Kobe and Hakeem. Bird is a legit GOAT candidate. The other two are a tier below, in that 10-15 ATG rank.


Bird isn't a goat candidate to me. Not a good enough defender, relatively poor longevity and not as resilient in the post-season as LeBron/Jordan/Duncan.

Advance stats love early Bird on defense. Longevity matters for career value, not peak. And LeBron cakewalked through a flat out terrible East most of his career, Bird was literally in a fight often and up against brutal teams a significant portion of the time, not at all comparable.


What exactly are you saying isn't comparable here when you say "Not at all comparable"?

LeBron has seasons where his defensive "advanced metrics" (I assume you mean DBPM and DWS) completely outshine Birds.

I'm not really sure what you are attempting to portray with your point but expand on it so its clear.
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Post#16 » by Matt15 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:36 am

1.Jordan
2.Kareem
3. Lebron
4.Russell
5.Duncan
6. Magic
7.Wilt
8. Shaq
9.Hakeem
10.Kobe
11.Bird
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Post#17 » by tonyreyes123 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:05 am

I only have MJ/LeBron/Magic/Kareem above Bird, so him. Duncan is also better than Kobe/Hakeem
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Post#18 » by SNPA » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:26 am

Colbinii wrote:
SNPA wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Bird isn't a goat candidate to me. Not a good enough defender, relatively poor longevity and not as resilient in the post-season as LeBron/Jordan/Duncan.

Advance stats love early Bird on defense. Longevity matters for career value, not peak. And LeBron cakewalked through a flat out terrible East most of his career, Bird was literally in a fight often and up against brutal teams a significant portion of the time, not at all comparable.


What exactly are you saying isn't comparable here when you say "Not at all comparable"?

LeBron has seasons where his defensive "advanced metrics" (I assume you mean DBPM and DWS) completely outshine Birds.

I'm not really sure what you are attempting to portray with your point but expand on it so its clear.

Bird’s playoff paths and LeBron’s.
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Post#19 » by JimmyFromNz » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:49 am

I'm big on Hakeem on an all time list, then Bird/Kobe neck and neck are pretty interchangeable. Peak Bird but there's a good (better?) argument for Kobe's longevity (that was hard to type).


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Post#20 » by Odinn21 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:09 am

All time team is a different way to put it.
When I saw the question, I thought it’s easily Bird because he’s a top 4 F ever for sure. That makes him 2nd team at worst.
Olajuwon is top 5 player at a position that’s needed 1 in a team. He’s the best player among the given 3, but this looks like a marginal value in top 5, top 6 range for a position and Bird wins that one due to team structures.
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