Peak Jimmy Butler vs Peak Paul Pierce
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:38 pm
Who was/is the better player at their best? Who is a better #1 option, and who would be better in a supporting role?
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Stalwart wrote:Pierce easy. I watched him go head to head with Kobe and Lebron, in their primes, and come out on top.
Pelly24 wrote:Stalwart wrote:Pierce easy. I watched him go head to head with Kobe and Lebron, in their primes, and come out on top.
I think Pierce was underrated, but to me this stuff with LeBron was overstated. We all saw that once LeBron got great teammates Paul Pierce never won against him again lol.
I think this is about a draw though. Jimmy seems like a better floor-raiser and maybe a more impactful player all around, though his jumper is really trash these days.
Pelly24 wrote:Stalwart wrote:Pierce easy. I watched him go head to head with Kobe and Lebron, in their primes, and come out on top.
I think Pierce was underrated, but to me this stuff with LeBron was overstated. We all saw that once LeBron got great teammates Paul Pierce never won against him again lol.
I think this is about a draw though. Jimmy seems like a better floor-raiser and maybe a more impactful player all around, though his jumper is really trash these days.
Stalwart wrote:Pelly24 wrote:Stalwart wrote:Pierce easy. I watched him go head to head with Kobe and Lebron, in their primes, and come out on top.
I think Pierce was underrated, but to me this stuff with LeBron was overstated. We all saw that once LeBron got great teammates Paul Pierce never won against him again lol.
I think this is about a draw though. Jimmy seems like a better floor-raiser and maybe a more impactful player all around, though his jumper is really trash these days.
Well of course because Lebron is better than Pierce. That still doesn't take away how well he performed against those guys on the biggest stages. Pierce really proved his resiliency, his heart, his skill, and his leadership during that late 2000s era. And hes got a fMVP to show for it. Jimmy Butler has never been at that level.
Pelly24 wrote:Stalwart wrote:Pelly24 wrote:
I think Pierce was underrated, but to me this stuff with LeBron was overstated. We all saw that once LeBron got great teammates Paul Pierce never won against him again lol.
I think this is about a draw though. Jimmy seems like a better floor-raiser and maybe a more impactful player all around, though his jumper is really trash these days.
Well of course because Lebron is better than Pierce. That still doesn't take away how well he performed against those guys on the biggest stages. Pierce really proved his resiliency, his heart, his skill, and his leadership during that late 2000s era. And hes got a fMVP to show for it. Jimmy Butler has never been at that level.
Jimmy was pretttyyyy incredible in the 2020 Finals. He pretty much played LeBron evenly, which isn't something I can say for anyone else besides KD, who was on a ridiculously stacked team when he did so.
Stalwart wrote:Pelly24 wrote:Stalwart wrote:
Well of course because Lebron is better than Pierce. That still doesn't take away how well he performed against those guys on the biggest stages. Pierce really proved his resiliency, his heart, his skill, and his leadership during that late 2000s era. And hes got a fMVP to show for it. Jimmy Butler has never been at that level.
Jimmy was pretttyyyy incredible in the 2020 Finals. He pretty much played LeBron evenly, which isn't something I can say for anyone else besides KD, who was on a ridiculously stacked team when he did so.
The Bubble league doesn't count though
Ron Swanson wrote:This is an interesting one. One guy overrated offensively (Jimmy) but Pierce I thought was even more overrated defensively. I think Jimmy peaked slightly higher and is the clearly superior play-maker but Pierce gives you superior durability and is an easier fit for most rosters, which actually matters to me here because neither guy is best suited as a main offensive anchor to build around. I'm probably taking Pierce in most situations here, but idk, if you can tell me I have at least a good chance of pairing Butler with an elite scoring big (AD, Dirk, Amare) then I'll go Jimmy pretty easily.
Ambrose wrote:Stalwart wrote:Pelly24 wrote:
Jimmy was pretttyyyy incredible in the 2020 Finals. He pretty much played LeBron evenly, which isn't something I can say for anyone else besides KD, who was on a ridiculously stacked team when he did so.
The Bubble league doesn't count though
Contrary to this misinformed statement...it does.
shakes0 wrote:Ambrose wrote:Stalwart wrote:
The Bubble league doesn't count though
Contrary to this misinformed statement...it does.
No, he’s right. The *Bubble may count historically, but you can’t with a straight face try and compare anything that happened in the *Bubble to any other season. No fans, no travel, no distractions, no home court advantage. The *Bubble deserves the biggest asterisk in the history of sports.
Pelly24 wrote:shakes0 wrote:Ambrose wrote:
Contrary to this misinformed statement...it does.
No, he’s right. The *Bubble may count historically, but you can’t with a straight face try and compare anything that happened in the *Bubble to any other season. No fans, no travel, no distractions, no home court advantage. The *Bubble deserves the biggest asterisk in the history of sports.
Honestly, in the face of this year's playoffs, which saw drastic injuries to like between 7 and 10 all-star/all-nba level players, I don't get how you can see this. Literally every team the Suns played in the West dealt with a disastrous injury. That Suns squad is absolutely not a finals team lol.
Jimmy didn't play so far out of his level in the bubble it shouldn't be seen as a fluke.
falcolombardi wrote:Pelly24 wrote:shakes0 wrote:
No, he’s right. The *Bubble may count historically, but you can’t with a straight face try and compare anything that happened in the *Bubble to any other season. No fans, no travel, no distractions, no home court advantage. The *Bubble deserves the biggest asterisk in the history of sports.
Honestly, in the face of this year's playoffs, which saw drastic injuries to like between 7 and 10 all-star/all-nba level players, I don't get how you can see this. Literally every team the Suns played in the West dealt with a disastrous injury. That Suns squad is absolutely not a finals team lol.
Jimmy didn't play so far out of his level in the bubble it shouldn't be seen as a fluke.
even further, most thinghs people atribbute to the bubble are the kind of thingh that happens every year
if 2021 injuries happened in the bubble it would be attributed to it too
Stalwart wrote:falcolombardi wrote:Pelly24 wrote:
Honestly, in the face of this year's playoffs, which saw drastic injuries to like between 7 and 10 all-star/all-nba level players, I don't get how you can see this. Literally every team the Suns played in the West dealt with a disastrous injury. That Suns squad is absolutely not a finals team lol.
Jimmy didn't play so far out of his level in the bubble it shouldn't be seen as a fluke.
even further, most thinghs people atribbute to the bubble are the kind of thingh that happens every year
if 2021 injuries happened in the bubble it would be attributed to it too
Wait, what? A 4 month layoff(entire off season) heading into the playoffs happens every year? No travel happens every year? No home court? Quarantining and isolation happens every year? Lebron calling a league wide strike in the freakin middle of the playoffs happens every year??
You're not being honest. That stuff literally never happens.