feyki wrote:All-Nba selections, mvp votings
Sorry, but these are more related to popularity than actual level. Garnett played with terrible and unpopular Minny teams while Webber played on exciting and talented Kings. Do you really think that Webber would get any MVP recognition in Minnesota?
and his impact for sure. Why do you seperate KG and Webber for between 99/02? Could you explain it.
Well, impact is the first reason why I struggle to see Webber on that level. Garnett looks comfortably better on all available metrics I can think of - RAPM, PI RAPM, on/off, AuPM, WOWY... What do you mean by impact? Webber wasn't very high level impact player compared to someone like Garnett.
I said that both were close defensively and offensively. Webber had higher about the half SRS offensive impact and Garnett had higher around the half SRS defensive impact than each other.
Based on what? To be honest, I don't see them even close defensively. Webber wasn't bad defender, but he was never all-defensive level.
His offense is also extremely overrated. He's the kind of guy a lot of people accuse Garnett of being - inefficient volume scorer who took way too many jumpshots for his skillset and had inefficient post game. Webber was overall good offensively because of his passing, but he didn't use his skills to his advantage.
00/02 Webber :
32,3 PP100, %59 Ast'd Rate, 13,5(3,3) RP100, 5,7 AP100, 3,6 TP100, 107 Ortg, 98 Drtg
00/02 Garnett :
29,2 PP100, %66 Ast'd Rate, 15,6(3,7) RP100, 6,7 AP100, 4,0 TP100, 109 Ortg, 100 Drtg
I like how you missed scoring efficiency numbers here:
2000-02 Webber: 52.7 TS%
2000-02 Garnett: 53.7 TS%
All while Garnett providing better spacing (43% on midrange shots vs 42%, not a huge gap but Webber was significantly more inconsistent year-by-year), better offensive rebounding and higher foul rate. Creating his own shot isn't always a good thing - especially when you are inefficient while doing so and you play with good offensive teammates.
On top of that, Webber was also a poor postseason performer.