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nzahir wrote:Can we lock the offseason thread?

I'm preparing myself for a rocky start but I am hoping we can get it together fast with our schedule after the Suns (maybe we even win and surprise myself and Russ goes off)

Grizz, Spurs, Okc, Cavs Hou, Hou, Okc, Por, CHA, Heat, Wolves, Spurs

Can we go 9-3 there?

homecourtloss wrote:

thebigbird wrote:Didn’t watch last night (hate 10:30 pm starts), but looks like it went about how I expected. Vogel has no idea how to put together proper lineups and Pelinka is the dumbest GM in the NBA. LeBron had a nice, efficient night though. 34/11/5 on 57% shooting. It’s a shame he has such stupid people running the team. For all his problems Dan Gilbert wasn’t afraid to spend like crazy.

He was a bit hampered by all the injuries and resorted to Bradley at the end who played much better than Monk or Westbrook.

The crazy thing is that as poorly as Westbrook played, the Lakers were up 85-76 with 1:20 left in the third when that crazy Rondo-Westbrook-Melo lineup played at replacement levels and then gave away the game.

LeBron on court with Westbrook off court:

9 minutes, 20 possessions, 115.7 ORtg, 70 DRtg

LeBron + AD on court with Westbrook off court:

7 minutes, 14 possessions, 121.4 ORtg, 85.7 DRtg

At some point unless a miracle takes place, they’re going to have to consider having Westbrook play off the bench, which will cause chemistry/locker room problems. LeBron and AD look more than capable of winning playoff series if not for literally the worst possible surrounding cast in ever which way. Having another decent defender like Ariza in there who can also shoot would have been big for this team but is that doesn’t look like it will possible because Ariza coming back off of injuries will be iffy.

thebigbird wrote:

Mos_Heat wrote:

The High Cyde wrote:Y’all are blaming Pelinka, but equal blame should be put on Bron and maybe AD as well. There’s no way this roster gets put together without their blessing.

I mean, that's 100% on Lebron and AD. Basically LAL had Hield route and Westbrook routeб and Lebron/AD chose Westbrook. Pelinka just overpaid in the trade like he usually does

I don’t care what the reports say. I’ll never believe that LeBron wanted Westbrook. LeBron is a very smart basketball mind. Their games don’t mesh well. Hield is a perfect LeBron ball player. Great from 3 and loves jacking up shots. I’ll always believe AD wanted Westbrook and LeBron agreed to keep him happy. It’s the same reason why they’ve trotted out a useless center next to AD for the past three seasons. Do you think LeBron really likes not having spacing?

zimpy27 wrote:

Mos_Heat wrote:

The High Cyde wrote:Y’all are blaming Pelinka, but equal blame should be put on Bron and maybe AD as well. There’s no way this roster gets put together without their blessing.

I mean, that's 100% on Lebron and AD. Basically LAL had Hield route and Westbrook routeб and Lebron/AD chose Westbrook. Pelinka just overpaid in the trade like he usually does

I think it was AD that wanted Westbrook. LeBron was pulling for DeMar/Hield.

Mos_Heat wrote:

thebigbird wrote:

Mos_Heat wrote:I mean, that's 100% on Lebron and AD. Basically LAL had Hield route and Westbrook routeб and Lebron/AD chose Westbrook. Pelinka just overpaid in the trade like he usually does

I don’t care what the reports say. I’ll never believe that LeBron wanted Westbrook. LeBron is a very smart basketball mind. Their games don’t mesh well. Hield is a perfect LeBron ball player. Great from 3 and loves jacking up shots. I’ll always believe AD wanted Westbrook and LeBron agreed to keep him happy. It’s the same reason why they’ve trotted out a useless center next to AD for the past three seasons. Do you think LeBron really likes not having spacing?

I think that Lebron, and most bball players, think about the basketball not the way you do. He's the best player of all time and thinks that he can fit with any other good player. Being a great basketball mind on the court and off the court are two separate things. Do you really think that Lebron would rather play with Brogdon or VanVleet instead of Westbrook? No way

homecourtloss wrote:LeBron making wild turnaround fades and threes everywhere masked how awful the offense was. The pace was insane in that game (113 possessions), so the raw numbers seemed to be there but really weren’t.

—Lakers took the fewest % of shots at the rim out of the 26 teams that have played so far.
—9th most from 10-16 feet
—The most from 16-3pt
—6th most from 3 point

Replacing the midrange with shots at the rim is of course ideal, but there were no lanes for drives in this game (Lakers were in the bottom 5 for drives). LeBron didn’t take any shots at the rim, and had a very low asst%. When the Lakers first traded for Westbrook, people rightly questioned in what way the offense would be as good taking the ball out of James’s hands. An exceptional execution of what they’re trying to run might perhaps get them there (highly unlikely), but otherwise, the numbers don’t work.

falcolombardi wrote:they need to play westbrook + davis lineups and trade for a shooting stretch 4 since who knows how Ariza will come back

homecourtloss wrote:LeBron making wild turnaround fades and threes everywhere masked how awful the offense was. The pace was insane in that game (113 possessions), so the raw numbers seemed to be there but really weren’t.

—Lakers took the fewest % of shots at the rim out of the 26 teams that have played so far.
—9th most from 10-16 feet
—The most from 16-3pt
—6th most from 3 point

Replacing the midrange with shots at the rim is of course ideal, but there were no lanes for drives in this game (Lakers were in the bottom 5 for drives). LeBron didn’t take any shots at the rim, and had a very low asst%. When the Lakers first traded for Westbrook, people rightly questioned in what way the offense would be as good taking the ball out of James’s hands. An exceptional execution of what they’re trying to run might perhaps get them there (highly unlikely), but otherwise, the numbers don’t work.

Greyhound wrote:

falcolombardi wrote:they need to play westbrook + davis lineups and trade for a shooting stretch 4 since who knows how Ariza will come back

They had one in Markieff and let him walk for Melo.

Bad move, as I called it in the offseason.

Mos_Heat wrote:

thebigbird wrote:

Mos_Heat wrote:I mean, that's 100% on Lebron and AD. Basically LAL had Hield route and Westbrook routeб and Lebron/AD chose Westbrook. Pelinka just overpaid in the trade like he usually does

I don’t care what the reports say. I’ll never believe that LeBron wanted Westbrook. LeBron is a very smart basketball mind. Their games don’t mesh well. Hield is a perfect LeBron ball player. Great from 3 and loves jacking up shots. I’ll always believe AD wanted Westbrook and LeBron agreed to keep him happy. It’s the same reason why they’ve trotted out a useless center next to AD for the past three seasons. Do you think LeBron really likes not having spacing?

I think that Lebron, and most bball players, think about the basketball not the way you do. He's the best player of all time and thinks that he can fit with any other good player. Being a great basketball mind on the court and off the court are two separate things. Do you really think that Lebron would rather play with Brogdon or VanVleet instead of Westbrook? No way