Team OGs vs Team New School

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Who wins a best of 7?

Team OGs
4
40%
Team New School
6
60%
 
Total votes: 10

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Team OGs vs Team New School 

Post#1 » by rand » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:22 pm

Who wins a best of 7 with everyone in their prime? The series is played with modern rules/refs but each of the OG players get a full year to prepare individually by working on their 3pt shot/handles, analyzing the modern game, taking advantage of modern physical training techniques and technologies, etc. Games are 36 minutes long and assume no injuries.

Team OGs
Oscar
West
Dr. J
Russell
Wilt

Team New School
Curry
PG
KD
Giannis
Jokic

edit: due to Penbeast's objection, the prep time for the OG players is increased to a full year from six months.
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Re: Team OGs vs Team New School 

Post#2 » by penbeast0 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:26 pm

Modern rules, modern refs, 6 months, it's not enough for the OG team to fully adapt. Modern team wins.

Switch it around, 60s rules, 60s refs, 6 months, 60s team wins.
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Re: Team OGs vs Team New School 

Post#3 » by rand » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:39 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Modern rules, modern refs, 6 months, it's not enough for the OG team to fully adapt. Modern team wins.

Switch it around, 60s rules, 60s refs, 6 months, 60s team wins.

Well one of the points is to explore how successfully these legends would adapt to the modern game while still preserving the core of who they were as the players we saw in their prime. We could hypothesize them completely reborn into the current generation of players instead but then that wipes out the players they were. The compromise is to give the transported players a reasonably long but not interminable prep period. I think if one year is not enough then that's saying it wouldn't be possible for the OGs to win with any reasonable amount of training time.

I don't doubt that if the scenario was reversed that the OGs would win, though I think a different New School lineup could be composed which might win in the reversed scenario. Something like:

Westbrook
Kawhi
LeBron
Giannis
Embiid
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Re: Team OGs vs Team New School 

Post#4 » by penbeast0 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:21 pm

I don't think the revised lineup wins in the reversed situation. Curry instead of Westbrook and you have a much better chance as you have LeBron and Giannis in the lineup to provide playmaking. Westbrook's skills don't work nearly as well with that lineup.

If fact, I'd be interested in a lineup of:

Curry, Leonard, LeBron, Durant, Giannis in the reverse situation and try to beat Russell and Wilt with speed and shooting. It would be rough on whoever is guarding Wilt though.
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Re: Team OGs vs Team New School 

Post#5 » by Owly » Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:59 pm

penbeast0 wrote:I don't think the revised lineup wins in the reversed situation. Curry instead of Westbrook and you have a much better chance as you have LeBron and Giannis in the lineup to provide playmaking. Westbrook's skills don't work nearly as well with that lineup.

If fact, I'd be interested in a lineup of:

Curry, Leonard, LeBron, Durant, Giannis in the reverse situation and try to beat Russell and Wilt with speed and shooting. It would be rough on whoever is guarding Wilt though.

I too think whilst Curry loses something with the loss of the line ... he's at a career .432 from three with people fairly aggressively trying to take that shot away, and a few from at least more than a step beyond the line. I'd say he does better (higher percentages, I'd think significantly so) in a league where defenders haven't seen that type of weapon on that quick a release (to a specific team matchup, maybe one might think someone can limit him, I won't speculate, in part for reasons below).

Timetravel stuff ... you can either put put their finger on the scales or just interpret the "rules" of time travel or manner of such things differently, so there's a lot of leeway here but I think Curry's shooting (and his resultant gravity) is a pretty monstrous weapon and thus holds value fairly well across eras including back beyond the 3pt line era.
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Re: Team OGs vs Team New School 

Post#6 » by Samurai » Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:43 pm

Team New School wins fairly easily but I suppose that was the intended outcome by forcing the OG's to play under current rules/conditions with only a year to adapt. One year just isn't nearly enough time to compete against people who have learned, practiced and played under the current conditions since grade school. The 3-point shot is king today and there isn't nearly enough outside shooting on Team OG, plus their terrible spacing would take away any driving lanes for Dr. J and West and the paint would be too packed for Oscar and Wilt, who both loved the post-up game, to freely operate.

You can try to jury rig things as much as you'd like, but just admit that bringing players from the past in a time machine to today greatly favors the modern team, just as transporting the modern team to previous times favors the old-timers. Whichever time machine you choose will pretty much dictate your outcome.
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Re: Team OGs vs Team New School 

Post#7 » by penbeast0 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:25 pm

With a prime of the 60s team, not sure why Erving rather than Elgin Baylor (a very similar player) or, since they don't need the scoring and rebounding, John Havlicek. But yeah, time travel hurts older players considerably. I don't think it hurts modern players other than maybe 3 point specialists all that much; there you can give them the period to get adjusted to the dribbling rules and lack of spacing and they'd still retain their advantages in nutrition, weight work, and coaching and logically should still be favored. The fact that most think that the 60s guys would win anyway is a tribute to how top heavy the league was in the 60s with those 4 guys being light years ahead of the rest of the league.

Anyone think they could put together a 2020-21 team that could compete with the top team from whatever mid 60s year everyone was at maximum health and competitiveness. The 60s team would be Wilt, Russell, Oscar, West and one of . . . Havlicek, Barry, Baylor (probably Havlicek for the defense and off ball movement). Auerbach would coach the 60s team, Kerr the modern one and assume beginning of year health stays reasonably health and equivalent benches playing limited minutes (probably more minutes for the 60s team. especially if you have Kawhi or another serious minutes limits guy on the modern team). Best of 82 rather than a simple 7 game series.
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Re: Team OGs vs Team New School 

Post#8 » by jalengreen » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:40 am

Think people underrate how easy it is to just spend time and adapt. I do not think even one year is enough. I'd easily pick the modern team

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