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Build Your Realistic Team - Present your team 

Post#1 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:16 pm

Draft thread

The draft is over, now it's time to prepare for the actual games.
The first step is, in the next 48h (ideally) for each of you to present their own team in this thread.
You're supposed to explain to the forum:
- what was your underlying vision
- how your rotation will look like
- what kind of lineups you're going to play
- how many minutes, indicatively, each player is supposed to be on the court and doing what
- what kind of offensive and defensive principles you're going to apply

This is meant to be sort of a baseline, imagine it to be what the field will know about you from the regular season. Once you'll play the actual games you'll of course be allowed to make the necessary adjustments to your opponent (and challenge him/her on the weaknesses you see in his/her team) .

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Laimbeer wrote:In if there's a spot

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Baski wrote:Make that 14.

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His Dudeness wrote:Let's do it.

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flaco wrote:I'm relatively new on RealGM, but I absolutely love these games! Count me in!

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confucius wrote:backup

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Colbinii wrote:I'll participate, and doing this prior to the post-season is a good idea.

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Dr Positivity wrote:T&T games is pretty quiet these days so I'll play I guess

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MiltChamberlain wrote:Backup 2

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Fadeaway_J wrote:Btw I'm in if that wasn't clear.

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eminence wrote:I'd join in.

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Doctor MJ wrote:A'ight, I'm game.

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Dutchball97 wrote:I wouldn't mind participating if enough people want to join in.

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durantbird wrote:If there's still room left, I'll be happy to join. But be aware I'm on a different timezone

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Stan wrote:If there’s any room left I’m down

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Pls forgive me if I don't give you a template immediately, I will do mine tomorrow as I must go to bed now. Of course you can modify your description anytime, "stealing with pride" from what other teams will write.
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Post#2 » by flaco » Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:27 am

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Starting lineup
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PG: Luka Doncic ► Floor general, PnR maestro, go-to scorer. His step-back jumper is literally unguardable.
SG: Jaylen Brown ► First option in the open court. 3+D+slasher+cutter in the half court
SF: Gordon Hayward ► Secondary shot creator in the half court
PF: OG Anunoby ► 3+D role player
C: Clint Capela ► Screener: ranks 4th in the NBA in screens assists per game, PnR specialist: scores 1.28 PPP as a roller, Rim protector

Second unit
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PG: Derrick White ► Heady 2-way combo guard. Runs the point when Luka sits on the bench.
SG: Josh Richardson ► 3+D role player. Shoots 40.5% from 3 this season on 3.6 attempts per game. Scores 1.17 PPP as a spot up shooter which ranks in the 85th percentile.
SF: Evan Fournier ► Secondary shot creator in the half court. He's scoring 1.04 PPP as a PnR ball handler this season which ranks in the 91th percentile.
PF: Cam Johnson ► 3+D role player. Shoots 43.1% from 3 this season on 5.4 attempts per game. Scores 1.28 PPP as a spot up shooter which ranks in the 94th percentile.
C: Christian Wood ► Versatile big. He can stretch the floor. He can set picks on the perimeter and either roll to the basket or pop for 3. He can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. He can protect the rim. He can switch ball screens on the perimeter. He's an elite PnR defender. Allows 0.53 PPP when defending the PnR which ranks in the 92nd percentile! He's a terrific rebounder. His only weakness is his court vision, but I'll be using him off the ball.

Offense:
The vast majority of playoff games are won in the half court. Needless to say, Luka thrives in the half court! My go-to moves are the PnR and the PnP. Luka, Derrick White, Hayward and Fournier are the PnR ball handlers. Capela and Wood are the rollers. Wood is the popper. PnR/PnP are the most devastating team moves in the modern NBA. If you have the right players, they become unstoppable moves. I'm absolutely confident that I chose the right players to execute my plan. Luka is a PnR magician. Capela is a PnR specialist. Wood is an elite roller when playing alongside a reliable ball handler. He was scoring 1.50 PPP as a roller during his breakout season in Detroit which ranked in the 95th percentile! Good luck trying to stop the Luka-Capela PnR and the Luka-Wood PnR or PnP.

There are 6 ways to defend the PnR:
1) Switch: The roller has a mismatch against the opposing guard. Luka is crafty enough to find the roller. Easy points under the basket. Alternatively, Luka has a mismatch against the opposing big on the perimeter.
2) Go under the pick: Luka shoots a wide open 3. Make no mistake about it. Luka may be shooting 32.6% from 3 this season, but that's cause he's taking tons of difficult 3s. He's hitting 46.4% of his wide open 3s!
3) Go over the pick: Luka turns the corner and attacks the basket. He's now playing 5 vs 4. This creates tons of opportunities. He can take an open long 2. He can lock the defender on his back using his hostage dribble and finish with almost no contest closer to the rim. He can find the open man in case the defense collapses on the ball. He can find the cutters in case the opposing big helps the retreating guard. I could go on and on...
4) Hedge and Recover: The opposing big is exposed on the perimeter. Luka is crafty/tall enough to find the roller.
5) Blitz the Pick: Luka is crafty enough to split the trap. Alternatively, he can find the open man.
6) ICE the pick: This is part of the reason I drafted Wood. I'm putting Wood in the game and he plays PnP with Luka. Wood shoots 50% in wide-open 2s this season and 37.1% in wide-open 3s.

Luka can read all these situations in a heartbeat. His BBIQ is out of this world! He's one of the best floor generals of all time. Not to mention, he's 6'7'' which means he can see over his opponents. I'm challenging anybody to come up with a viable plan to stop Luka in the PnR/PnP. It just isn't possible. Nobody has done it in real life. I highly doubt it will happen here.

Defense:
Generally speaking, we run a switch-heavy defensive scheme. A few notable exceptions:
- Capela may switch or drop back and protect the rim (depending on matchups).
- Wood may switch, drop or hedge and recover (depending on matchups).
- If the opposing team has no stretch big on the floor, we ICE the pick. Plenty of teams have no stretch big on their roster.

I could go on and on, but it's already a long post. Nobody is gonna bother to read it.
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Re: Build Your Realistic Team - Present your team 

Post#3 » by falcolombardi » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:20 am

flaco wrote:Image

Starting lineup
ImageImageImageImageImage

PG: Luka Doncic ► Floor general, PnR maestro, go-to scorer. His step-back jumper is literally unguardable.
SG: Jaylen Brown ► First option in the open court. 3+D+slasher+cutter in the half court
SF: Gordon Hayward ► Secondary shot creator in the half court
PF: OG Anunoby ► 3+D role player
C: Clint Capela ► Screener: ranks 4th in the NBA in screens assists/game, PnR specialist: scores 1.28 PPP as a roller, Rim protector

Second unit
ImageImageImageImageImage

PG: Derrick White ► Heady 2-way combo guard. Runs the point when Luka sits on the bench.
SG: Josh Richardson ► 3+D role player. Shoots 40.5% from 3 this season on 3.6 attempts per game. Scores 1.17 PPP as a spot up shooter which ranks in the 85th percentile.
SF: Evan Fournier ► Secondary shot creator in the half court. He's scoring 1.04 PPP as a PnR ball handler this season which ranks in the 91th percentile.
PF: Cam Johnson ► 3+D role player. Shoots 43.1% from 3 this season on 5.4 attempts per game. Scores 1.28 PPP as a spot up shooter which ranks in the 94th percentile.
C: Christian Wood ► Versatile big. He can stretch the floor. He can set picks on the perimeter and either roll to the basket or pop for 3. He can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. He can protect the rim. He can switch ball screens on the perimeter. He's an elite PnR defender. Allows 0.53 PPP when defending the PnR which ranks in the 92nd percentile! He's a terrific rebounder. His only weakness is his court vision, but I'll be using him off the ball.

Offense:
The vast majority of playoff games are won in the half court. Needless to say, Luka thrives in the half court! My go-to moves are the PnR and the PnP. Luka, Derrick White, Hayward and Fournier are the PnR ball handlers. Capela and Wood are the rollers. Wood is the popper. PnR/PnP are the most devastating team moves in the modern NBA. If you have the right players, they become unstoppable moves. I'm absolutely confident that I chose the right players to execute my plan. Luka is PnR magician. Capela is a PnR specialist. Wood is an elite roller when playing alongside a reliable ball handler. He was scoring 1.50 PPP as a roller during his breakout season in Detroit which ranked in the 95th percentile! Good luck trying to stop the Luka-Capela PnR and the Luka-Wood PnR or PnP.

There are 6 ways to defend the PnR:
1) Switch: The roller has a mismatch against the opposing guard. Luka is crafty enough to find the roller. Easy points under the basket. Alternatively, Luka has a mismatch against the opposing big on the perimeter.
2) Go under the pick: Luka shoots a wide open 3. Make no mistake about it. Luka may be shooting 32.6% from 3 this season, but that's cause he's taking tons of difficult 3s. He's hitting 46.4% of his wide open 3s!
3) Go over the pick: Luka turns the corner and attacks the basket. He's now playing 5 vs 4. This creates tons of opportunities. He can take an open long 2. He can lock the defender on his back using his hostage dribble and finish with almost no contest closer to the rim. He can find the open man in case the defense collapses on the ball. He can find the cutters in case the opposing big helps the retreating guard. I could go on and on...
4) Hedge and Recover: The opposing big is exposed on the perimeter. Luka is crafty/tall enough to find the roller.
5) Blitzing the Pick: Luka is crafty enough to split the trap. Alternatively, he can find the open man.
6) ICE the pick: This is part of the reason I drafted Wood. I'm putting Wood in the game and he plays PnP with Luka. Wood shoots 50% in wide-open 2s this season and 37.1% in wide-open 3s.

Luka can read all these situations in a heartbeat. His BBIQ is out of this world! He's one of the best floor generals of all time. Not to mention, he's 6'7'' which means he can see over his opponents. I'm challenging anybody to come up with a viable plan to stop Luka in the PnR/PnP. It just isn't possible. Nobody has done it in real life. I highly doubt it will happen here.

Defense:
Generally speaking, we run a switch-heavy defensive scheme. A few notable exceptions:
- Capela may switch or drop back and protect the rim (depending on matchups).
- Wood may switch, drop or hedge and recover (depending on matchups).
- If the opposing team has no stretch big on the floor, we ICE the pick. Plenty of teams have no stretch big on their roster.

I could go on and on, but it's already a long post. Nobody is gonna bother to read it.


hey!, i read it

dont you worry a bit about containing speedy guards who can shot? your starters are mainly wings that aa far as í know are not particularly great at defending guards

there is jaylen but what i have readw from celtics fans is that he doesnt really play much defense anymore (someone else who knows the celtics better may chime in?)

what about luka tendency of spmetimes taking too many hard shots and stepback 3's
couldnt that lead to diminishng returns offensively?

i feel like making derrick white a starter amd making hayward a sixth Men who runs the show when luka sits may be better balance
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Re: Build Your Realistic Team - Present your team 

Post#4 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:57 am

Starting lineup

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Gary Trent, Jr.
SF: Andrew Wiggins
PF: Draymond Green
C: Jonas Valanciunas

Bench

PG: Jalen Brunson
SG: Pat Connaughton
SF: Cam Reddish
PF: Obi Toppin
C: Lamarcus Aldridge

Estimated Rotation

PG: Lillard / Brunson
SG: Trent / Connaughton / Brunson
SF: Wiggins / Connaughton / Reddish
PF: Draymond / Reddish / Aldridge / Toppin
C: Valanciunas / Aldridge / Draymond

- Our fit is very good. Lillard and Draymond are a poor man's Curry/Draymond, while Trent and Wiggins can both defend, shoot and create their own shot a bit. Wiggins played with Draymond, Trent played with Lillard. For non Raptors fans don't sleep on Trent's improvement - he has shown great hands on defense and leads the league in steals currently, while shooting 38% from 3 and is at 16.8ppg showing a variety of ways to score and not just spot up shots. Valanciunas gives us a post threat who can shoot and Draymond is exactly the PF you'd want beside him on defense. We don't have a true MVP caliber star but our starting lineup is pretty well rounded on both ends.

- I think my bench turned out pretty well. I'm a fan of Brunson's high IQ game and he has taken another step forward to 15ppg+, Connaughton is a champion level role player, and LMA is once again putting up high quality per minute stats. When Draymond sits I'm going to be going small with Reddish at the 4 sometimes, or a big lineup with Aldridge/Valanciunas depending on the matchup. Because of experience and position Toppin is the odd man out of the rotation for now but his per minute stats are pretty solid so if I need a different look I might try him.
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Post#5 » by Dutchball97 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:45 am

Rotation
PG: Fred VanVleet / Cole Anthony
SG: Luke Kennard / De'Anthony Melton
SF: LeBron James / Franz Wagner
PF: John Collins / Deni Avdija
C: Jarrett Allen / Isaiah Hartenstein

The idea behind my team was to build around LeBron's strengths and weaknesses. I've surrounded him with an elite interior defender in Jarrett Allen as welll as 3 guys who shoot over 40% from 3, while all being positive defenders themselves. On the bench I've got Hartenstein who has proven to be able to have elite impact in limited minutes to make sure my team doesn't drop off too much when Allen goes to the bench. Wagner and Avdija are 6'9 wing defenders, while Melton is there to lock down smaller guards. All three have about average impact offensively as well besides their defensive prowess. Meanwhile Cole Anthony is the guy who runs the second unit on offense. Depending on matchups I might start one of Wagner/Avidja over Collins to improve my starting lineup's defense as well as give my bench a scoring boost.

I've got 3 guys in the top 10 of EPM with LeBron (4th, +6.5), Allen (8th, +5.4) and FVV (10th, +5). The rest of my team are all rated as having a positive impact as well.
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Post#6 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:52 am

Vision
This is a team built around the strenghts of its best player Giannis Antetokoumpo.
I had the following pricniples in my mind:
- I wanted a team able to dominate defensively with extreme scheme versatility, so that we can counter all the main opponent strenghts with Giannis supercharging anything we do. We will be able to adjuste depending on the results (like for instance opponents being dangerously hot from three). A great open court game will be built on that defense
- Spacing and shooting, everyone around Giannis is a good to great shooter on catch and shoot, making creating a wall impossible both in half and open court
- Creation on the perimeter, to let Giannis get the ball in space but also self generate offence if it became stagnant. Beal is a top scorer who can also run the pick and roll, but also Payne and Bogdanovic will fit, while also prividing elite shooting

Roster
Giannis Antetokounpo (4-5):
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arguably the best defensive player in the league, can be the 4 in a twin towers setup or the 5 next to a forward. Improved his reads over the last couple of years and even showed some extra finishing moves from floater distance. Phisically overpowering, extremely difficult to keep away from the rim if you can't wall him off
Bradley Beal(1-2):
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having an off year on his shooting but it will regress to the mean. Can play both guard spots, on and off ball, good pick and roll reads. Being 6-5 with a 6-8 wingspan he can even hold his own at the 3 in a smallball lineup.
Lonzo Ball(1-2):
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developed into a great shooter (over 40%) off the catch, a terror in transition and a great connector in the halfcourt, will make all the best reads. Improved dramatically his on ball defense this year, navigating screens much better, while still being amazing helping from the nail
Joe Harris(2-3):
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one of the best shooters in the NBA, in the mid 40s from 3, can hit it off the move with a quick release. Unlike similar guys, he's actually an above average defender, with enough size to guard the 3 position effectively and hold his own on a switch with a big man
Nikola Vucevic(5):
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not having a great shooting season, but showed he can hold up in drop coverage with the right personnel around him. Can punish double teams, smaller players in the low post, will be respected from the 3pt line (expecting to get close to where he was in the last few years), can function as an offensive hub on DHO or finding cutters
Luguentz Dort(2-3):
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one of the best on ball defenders in the NBA, even more in this team where his offensive usage will decrease. Can guard everyone 1/3 with his combination of strength and quickness, extremely difficult to screen away or to beat in an iso. In the last season he showed he can shoot a lot of threes, but checking the fine prints you can see he's been over 40% both season from the corners. He won't be asked to create as much as in OKC, changing dramatically his shot profile and hence his efficiency
Harrison Barnes(3-4):
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can play both forward roles, has the size to handle the big forwards, shooting in the high 30s from 3, this year improved his reads and finishing ability. Can punish smaller players in the post
Bogdan Bogdanovic(1-2-3):
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as well on of the best shooters in NBA, can make high difficulty shots and has high level experience in big games internationally. Can play off ball or being a ballhandler off the bench, another guy who can run an effective pick and roll with Giannis or DHO with Vuc. Actually a better defender than being credited for on the 2 and 3
Ivica Zubac(5):
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good rim protector and good finisher, he has actually a decent jump hook if an easy dunk is not available. He will have a bigger role in the rotation against teams with dominant low post centers
Cameron Payne(1):
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very good shooter, can add a dimension of downhill penetration to the team offence. Proven in the playoffs

Key Lineup Combinations

Ball/Beal/Harris/Antetokoumpo/Vucevic
Mainly defending in drop coverage, with Lonzo on the primary ballhandler and Giannis roaming around
Lonzo and Giannis will weaponize the transition offence. On halfcourt Beal/Giannis pick and roll, Vuc and Lonzo spacing and moving the ball and Harris in the opposite corner. DHO actions can be run with Beal/Harris and Vuc with Giannis cutting to the rim. With small variations, Bogdanovic or Barnes can play in Harris's role, depending if we need more ball handling and passing or more size

Ball/Beal/Dort/Antetokoumpo/Vucevic
More defensive oriented version of the previous one, with Dort and Lonzo messing up stuff on the ball similar to the Lonzo/Caruso pairing on the bulls

Ball/Beal/Harris/Barnes/Antetokoumpo
More flexible defensive unit, likely the closing one. Can play conventional defense, high edge or even a switch system. Depending on the matchups, you can have Dort in somewhere to increase the defensive pressure to run more. Goal is to give the opponent very different looks.

Dort/Bogdanovic/Harris/Barnes/Vuc
Main main bench unit, with the offense built around shooters moving around Vuc and Bogdanovic the key decision maker. Payne can be added if more dribble penetration is needed vs size/defense

Key principle is that these lineups will be adjusted depending on the opponent and the actual flow of the game.
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Post#7 » by durantbird » Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:19 pm

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander / Tyrese Maxey
Desmond Bane / CJ McCollum
Paul George / RJ Barrett
Jaren Jackson Jr / PJ Washington
Bam Adebayo / Mitchell Robinson

Five great defensive guys on the starting lineup, and lots of offensive options and spacing around the team's star Paul George who is a great and willing passer. Shai will be the main initiator of the offense, with PG13 being a secondary ball-handler and Bam at the C is also an incredible passer. Many versatile defenders who are switchable - Shai and Bane can defend guards as well as forwards, George and Bam fast enough to help with on perimeter defense, and the interior defense with Bam and JJJ will be incredible. Off the bench I have an ideal sixth man with CJ McCollum who can be an offensive x-factor and a sniper off the bench and can also play minutes as point gaurd, Maxey who's also a great shooter, defender and has had a nice season as Philly's main floor manager so far, PJ Washington who brings great spacing and defensive versatility, Barrett who is highly underrated and came off a great season last year and a great two way player, and Mitch Rob who's been one of the premier big men defenders in the league. There isn't much of a talent drop in the bench, and every player from the bench can easily fill a starter role and explode on a given night. Also the bench unit is really balanced offensively-defensivley, with CJ as the only less than average defender (but a top end offensive talent), surrounded by 9 great defensive players. Also the spacing is phenomenal with SGA-Bane-McCollum-Maxey-George-JJJ-PJ-RJ.

There are many optional lineups that can work well, like small ball lineups with George at PF or Washington at C - with many variations for the other guys alongside them - for example Maxey McCollum SGA Geroge Washington or SGA McCollum Bane George Bam; or go bigger, with George and Barrett (even PJ) as SG-SF, SGA at point and any combination of Mitch / Bam / JJJ.
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Post#8 » by giordunk » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:23 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:Vision
This is a team built around the strenghts of its best player Giannis Antetokoumpo.
I had the following pricniples in my mind:
- I wanted a team able to dominate defensively with extreme scheme versatility, so that we can counter all the main opponent strenghts with Giannis supercharging anything we do. We will be able to adjuste depending on the results (like for instance opponents being dangerously hot from three). A great open court game will be built on that defense
- Spacing and shooting, everyone around Giannis is a good to great shooter on catch and shoot, making creating a wall impossible both in half and open court
- Creation on the perimeter, to let Giannis get the ball in space but also self generate offence if it became stagnant. Beal is a top scorer who can also run the pick and roll, but also Payne and Bogdanovic will fit, while also prividing elite shooting

Roster
Giannis Antetokounpo (4-5):
Image
arguably the best defensive player in the league, can be the 4 in a twin towers setup or the 5 next to a forward. Improved his reads over the last couple of years and even showed some extra finishing moves from floater distance. Phisically overpowering, extremely difficult to keep away from the rim if you can't wall him off
Bradley Beal(1-2):
Image
having an off year on his shooting but it will regress to the mean. Can play both guard spots, on and off ball, good pick and roll reads. Being 6-5 with a 6-8 wingspan he can even hold his own at the 3 in a smallball lineup.
Lonzo Ball(1-2):
Image
developed in a great shooter (over 40%) off the catch, a terror in transition and a great connector in the halfcourt, will make all the best reads. Improved dramatically his on ball defense this year, navigating screens much better, while still being amazing helping from the nail
Joe Harris(2-3):
Image
one of the best shooters from the NBA, in the mid 40s from, can hit it off the move with a quick release. Unlike similar guys, he's actually an above average defender, with enough size to guard the 3 position effectively and hold his own on a switch with a big man
Nikola Vucevic(5):
Image
not having a great shooting season, but showed he can hold up in drop coverage with the right personnel around him. Can punish double teams, smaller players in the low post, will be respected from the 3pt line (expecting to get close to where he was in the last few years), can function as an offensive hub on DHO or finding cutters
Luguentz Dort(2-3):
Image
on of the best on ball defenders in the NBA, even more in this team where his offensive usage will decrease. Can guard everyone 1/3 with his combination of strenght and quickness, extremely difficult to screen away or to beat in an iso. In the last season he showed he can shoot a lot of threes, but checking the fine prints you can see he's been over 40% both season from the corners. He won't be asked to create as much as in OKC, changing dramatically his shot profile and hence his efficiency
Harrison Barnes(3-4):
Image
can play both forward roles, has the size to handle the big forwards, shooting in the high 30s from 3, this year improved his reads and finishing ability. Can punish smaller players in the post
Bogdan Bogdanovic(1-2-3):
Image
as well on of the best shooters in NBA, can make high difficulty shots and has high level experience in big games internationally. Can play off ball or being a ballhandler off the bench, another guy who can run an effective pick and roll with Giannis or DHO with Vuc. Actually a better defender than being credited for on the 2 and 3
Ivica Zubac(5):
Image
good rim protector and good finisher, has actually a decent jump hook if an easy dunk is not available. He will have a bigger role in the rotation against teams with dominant low post centers
Cameron Payne(1):
Image
very good shooter, can add a dimension of downhill penetration to the team offence. Proven in the playoffs

Key Lineup Combinations

Ball/Beal/Harris/Antetokoumpo/Vucevic
Mainly defending in drop coverage, with Lonzo on the primary ballhandler and Giannis roaming around
Lonzo and Giannis will weaponize the transition offence. On halfcourt Beal/Giannis pick and roll, Vuc and Lonzo spacing and moving the ball and Harris in the opposite corner. DHO actions can be run with Beal/Harris and Vuc with Giannis cutting to the rim. With small variations, Bogdanovic or Barnes can play in Harris's role, depending if we need more ball handling and passing or more size

Ball/Beal/Dort/Antetokoumpo/Vucevic
More defensive oriented version of the previous one, with Dort and Lonzo messing up stuff on the ball similar to the Lonzo/Caruso pairing on the bulls

Ball/Beal/Harris/Barnes/Antetokoumpo
More flexible defensive unit, likely the closing one. Can play conventional defense, high edge or even a switch system. Depending on the matchups, you can have Dort in somewhere to increase the defensive pressure to run more. Goal is to give the opponent very different looks.

Dort/Bogdanovic/Harris/Barnes/Vuc
Main main bench unit, with the offense built around shooters moving around Vuc and Bogdanovic the key decision maker. Payne can be added if more dribble penetration is needed vs size/defense

Key principle as these lineups will be adjusted depending on the opponent and the actual flow of the game.


Have to say this is the team that stands out to me the most so far.
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Post#9 » by Baski » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:36 pm

I wanted to build the team offense around forcing easy shots and a defense around forcing tough shots.

My lineup
Gobert/Nurkic
Ingram/Love/Gay
Ingles//Ingram
Booker/Robinson
Caruso/Clarkson

Subject to change depending on the opponent, my minute distribution looks something like this:
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I'd close with this:
Gobert
Ingram
Ingles
Booker
Caruso

So Gameplan:

Offense
Base characteristic is that my worst non-big shooter is Caruso, which is fine because he shoots 42% on wide open 3s this season and 45% last season. Aside from Rudy and Nurkic, everyone is a threat from the 3pt line, keeping the floor well-spread for them to attack the rim.

So the gameplan is gonna be heavy on the PnR. Rudy being one of the best bigs in the league in the PnR, I made sure to surround him with competent to elite PnR ball handlers in Booker/Ingram/Clarkson/Ingles. There'll be a minimum of two of them on the court at all times. With the wealth of elite guards with so-so at best defensive ability, we'll be sure to attack them and put pressure on their teammates, particularly their Cs to hesitate/make mistakes that either lead to a Rudy finish at the rim, an open 3pt shot, or a sequence of defensive scrambling till the open man is found. Where I feel comfortable doing so, Love will be used for the PnP, which is either an efficient 3, an open midrange, a line to the rim where Ingram shoots 64%, Ingles 73%, a lob for Rudy or a kickout to a shooter.

When Rudy sits, Nurkic will mostly play the same role, but with some handoffs for D-Rob and a lot of cutting from Caruso/D-Rob/Ingram mixed in for Nurk to utilize his vision and passing. I would love to use Love here as well, but I can't imagine an opposing lineup that allows me to use him at center without being punished for that. We'll see. Depending on how the matchup looks, I might increase D-Rob's minutes to tire out the opponent's perimeter defenders a bit more with his constant movement. I bet their main ballhandler would be put on Caruso or Clarkson, so I'd let him screen for D-Rob and see how they react to that. Nurk gives me the option of punishing small ball centres inside and on the boards, but we'll see how viable that is.

Defense
Base characteristic is that the team has mostly very good defenders around an elite in-out defender. In spite of the stellar results, Rudy has been hampered by weak perimeter defenders that constantly force him to cover multiple positions at once. I feel that with this team, I can minimize that when needed without affecting the offense. Guys like Booker, Clarkson and Robinson don't have reputations for being elite on that end, but they've shown to be able to work well in good defensive schemes.

We play to Rudy's strengths mostly. Standard drop scheme similar to what the Jazz do. Go under the screen for the wing ballhandler with less than elite 3ball, go over for elite guards. In a 1-5 or 2-5 PnR, here is where I think Caruso will really shine. He's slippery as an eel and damn near unaffected by picks, so he mostly forces the ball handler to take him 1-on-1 (which we're fine with) while allowing Rudy enough time to position himself and direct teammates to the right positions. If it's any version of a G/F PnR I'm fine with switching as I'm confident in any one of Ingram/Caruso/Ingles to stay with their man and Rudy/Nurkic staying back ready in the case of a breakdown. I will look at using Love to trap if his matchup can't shoot very well and rely on Rudy to cover the roll man and his guy.

To address our biggest weakness of stretch bigs, I keep Rudy on the non-shooting big, but that is not always going to be an option, so I have the Caruso/Robinson/Ingles/Ingram lineup to put alongside him for maximum switchability while still allowing me to run my usual offense. I might go up in size and length by pushing Robinson out and slotting Gay in at PF, giving me a pretty long but mobile defensive lineup.
My team is hyper aware of matchup hunting, so I've instructed them to be on the lookout for potential targeting of say Booker or Clarkson, and preemptively switch with the nearest wing or Caruso. This has it's limits of course, so I can't claim it as an answer for matchup hunting, but the occasional Booker-Ingram swap or Love-Ingram swap is in the cards for some matchups.

So, speaking of hunting, let's talk about the elephant in the room.....Ehem..:

Kevin Love is not a defensive liability.........
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............................For my team. Lemme finish.

Ok ok, he's not exactly good, but hear me out:

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The case I want to make is that he is competent enough that he will not significantly hurt your defense.............when he is next to competent defenders. He can't protect the rim to save his life, but he will try (anyone remember what Jokic looked like when he was his team's rim protector?).
I expect opponents will try to attack him in the PnR, and when it works it can be bad, but he's got a great defensive team around him: Caruso will make forcing the switch very time consuming, if not impossible, Rudy will be near the rim to clean up mistakes, so that the others can stay on their man. On the plus side, Love is a great defensive rebounder and boxes out really well for teammates, and again, he will try on defense.

Now take this with a grain of salt, but the numbers support this as well. In 2016, The Cavs with engaged defenders around Love were the 10th best RS defense and 8th best PO defense. The lineup of LeBron/Smith/Irving/TT/Love had a 103.4 Drtg, which would've been good for 7th in the league that year, and mostly maintained that mark and ranking in the POs. Replacing Kyrie with Delly in that lineup made them elite at 93.9. The track record from 2017-2020 are self-explanatory, but not surprising. We know what Love can and can't do. But let's look at this season with him having the chance to share the court with a young motivated team, particularly with elite defenders in Mobley and Allen:

1. Love is 46th in defensive Raptor, 8th among PFs
2. Love is 50th in defensive WS, 26th among all forwards. This is including guys who have played less than 10 games.
3. Love's DFG% for shots less than 6ft from the rim is 53.1% at 3.9 defended per game. For context, Green is at 53.7% at 4.0 defended per game. Giannis is at 44% at 5.2 defended per game. Jokic is at 59.9% at 7.9 defended per game. Gobert is at 50.4% at 7.8 defended per game
4. 2 of the Cavs top 5 defensive 5-man lineups (>=20 mins played) by Drtg have Love in them, albeit next to one of Mobley or Allen.
5. 3 of the Cavs top 5 defensive 3-man lineups (>=100 mins played) by Drtg have Love in them, only one of which has Mobley.
6. Love has the best Drtg of his career so far at 98.8, followed by 2013, 2015 and 2016

Now you might say that Love isn't playing starter minutes this year, but I'm not asking him to for my team. I really value what he brings offensively for 20-25 minutes, and have built a team that can live with him defensively, perhaps even be enhanced by him............perhaps. Look, Kevin isn't a great defensive player, he's not even good if we're being extra blunt, but if you build your team right, which I have tried to do, he's simply not capable of doing so much damage that his offensive value is irrelevant. So I hope that if your immediate reaction to seeing him is "unplayable", "liability". etc., after reading this you'll look around him and maaaaaaybe have a tamer expectation.


Hmm. This feels like way too much talking about one player who may not even start. Damn you Ryoga. You were right.
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Post#10 » by eminence » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:54 pm

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Re: Build Your Realistic Team - Present your team 

Post#11 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:32 am

Vision for the Original Centaurs

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The Original Celtics
The great basketball team of the 1920s was the Original Celtics.

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They were seen as the state of the art “Scientific Basketball” team. How do we know, well because one of the players, Nat Holman would write a book called “Scientific Basketball” in 1922 and it wasn’t seen as a joke in the slightest. Holman was a mere 26 years old at the time, so it’s really astonishing to think about a guy that age writing with the kind of assured authority Holman did back then.

“"Every activity in which man engages in sufficient numbers undergoes periodic evolutions. Baseball is a vastly different game today and is played in a decidedly superior manner than it was a generation and a half ago. Spectator of a football match a generation ago would hardly recognize in the gridiron game of today the same pastime which he had witnessed at the beginning of the twentieth century. So also has basketball changed with time though not perhaps in quite as large a measure.”


"Wherever basketball is played today, emphasis is laid principally upon cooperation and organization of team-play...Coaches aim to develop combinations which will work as smoothly as well-oiled machines. If a team is so fortunate as to possess a sensational shooter, the offensive of the machine is planned so as to enable that player to function to best advantage. Individual playing, rash, indiscreet dribbling, and aimless, indiscriminate shooting have yielded to organized concerted action."


A couple short key quotes that key in on what players are actually doing on offense:

"When a team has possession of the ball, its men should on the move continuously. Players in motion are unconsciously making openings for their team-mates."


"Each player ought to do his individual thinking. He ought not to depend on others to lead the attack. If there is a chance at any time of his receiving a pass, he ought to ask himself such questions as "What am I going to do with it when I get it?"


I think it’s interesting because this is basically the philosophy of the team that’s currently ranked #1 atop the 2021-22 standings: The Golden State Warriors. And this isn’t a coincidence. You can draw a line from the Original Celtics of the ‘20s, to the Rochester Royals of the ‘40s, to the New York Knicks of the ‘70s, to the Chicago Bulls of the ‘90s, to the present Golden State Warriors, but there’s a difference in that in the time that in 1922, this was a dominant paradigm, not just an approach a particular team uses.

Also different in the fact these teams don’t call what they do “Scientific”. The pretense of Holman’s time got dropped, and the focus that carries through pertains to motion and skilled improvisation.

Thing is, it got knocked off its perch, by the Original Celtics themselves developing a new technique that worked even better in 1925. Called the Pivot Play, Holman explains it in his 1932 book “Winning Basketball”:

"A revolutionary change in any sport requires a long period of adaptation, in which time the entire game frequently undergoes a revision of style. Such an innovation was that of the forward pass in football...So too, when the pivot play was introduced to basketball seven years ago, it necessitated a drastic rearrangement of offensive play."


"The play was not an amazing overnight discovery, but came through a slow process of evolutionary change, though the final result was of itself both startling and original.

The Celtics made constant and important use of a play in which one man moved slowly across the foul-line territory near his own basket, received a pass, and made a quick return play. This might be termed a moving pivot play. However, the player moving across the court, either by accident, or through an economy of unnecessary movement, finally came to stop at the foul line, where he stationed himself firmly, received passes from his teammates, made himself the central point in the offensive orbit. Thus was introduced the pivot play. The Original Celtics with Dutch Dehnert in the pivot position developed this into the most damaging scoring play ever devised and did much to bring the play to its present state of comparative success."


"The pivot position must be handled by a player who can catch and hold a basketball expertly, who can pass sharply, adeptly, and accurately, and who is light on his feet. He must be fairly tall, though not necessarily the team's centre man, and possessed of long arms, so that the ball cannot easily be wrested from him. He must be cool and a good ball-handler, but paramount to all other attributes, he must have a keen passing sense. He must have excellent judgment in knowing when to pass a ball to a cutting teammate and when to hold it back...."The pivot man, in the midst of a whirling circle of players, must see at a moment's notice whether or not the cutting man is free and open for a pass. He must also be ready to reverse towards the goal himself if he thinks his own opponent has left him or is not guarding him closely enough."


I think the bolded gives us the best imagery for how it worked. The pivot is stationed by the free throw line, and his teammates are looking to make cuts to the basket, looking for passes to create easy buckets.

I think the italicized lined let’s us know something quite interesting. That this “pivot” position, was not necessarily your center. Height was an advantage in this position, but he didn’t have to be taller than everyone else on the team.

Here’s a picture of the 1927 Original Celtics:

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In that photo, a five man lineup of the Original Celtics is pictured from tallest to shortest. It begins with Joe Lapchick - the center, we get to the pivot Dutch Dehnert as the middle height of the 5, and on the right end we have Nat Holman, shortest of the bunch.

But as we know today, if someone is called his team’s “pivot”, that’s a synonym for center, so things don’t stay the way Holman narrates all that long, and this last quote below is great foreshadowing:

"Fundamentally it has altered the old five-man style of offense, since it has taken one player completely out of the cutting end of the offensive play. But it has had the all-important effect of encouraging cutting on the part of the moving players, since it has provided them with a definite target for passes made preparatory to breaks for the basket. It has placed an important premium on speed and deception. It has also made a potentially dangerous scoring man out of the pivot player, who is in a position to use his size and strength for quick pivots and tries at the goal, though it should be borne in mind that the pivot play is essentially a team offensive strategem, rather than a medium for individual scoring efforts."


So, back in 1922 when Holman was writing the first book, the game had evolved into a style of what we might call positionless basketball with increasingly tight symmetry in what was expected from each player. Then a new strategy comes in where one player becomes the fulcrum and the other players cut around him.

Then it becomes clear that if you have your tallest man in this position, and you let him focus on scoring, that seems to work really well. So the concept of the pivot and the center merge together as the center position gets taken over by giants like George Mikan and Bob Kurland.

Nevertheless, the true pivot style of play continued on the outskirts of the game. Most notably with the Harlem Globetrotters. If you watch from the point I pause this video here, you see the essence of it:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/SISC186P0QA?t=62[/youtube]

For the Globetrotters, the Pivot was the head clown. He was the one deciding what would happen next and always playing a key role in each “reel”. Height was not necessary for this - because the Globetrotters brought with them an opponent paid to lose - but comedic timing and big hands were. Regardless, the basketball paradigm it was built on, was the pivot play of the Original Celtics.

Beyond the Globetrotters and their emulators, the most noteworthy practitioners I’m aware of were from the NBA.

The first I’ll point to was Connie Hawkins,

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who brought the technique with him from his time on the Globetrotters. He got to play it more in the ABA and rapidly fell off in the NBA, but it was a successful example, and an example where it’s not so clear that Hawkins was actually playing “center”. Hawkins had the length - and the hand size! - but not the strength to actually bang with the bigs.

The second is the example that everyone is familiar with in NBA lore without recognizing the roots that seem pretty clear:
Bill Walton in Dr. Jack Ramsay’s motion scheme, with teammates cutting around him.

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Ramsay is oftentimes described as a genius who came up with this idea out of nowhere, but Ramsay was 50 year old man who came of age as a basketball player prior to the Mikan-Kurland paradigm shift. He had surely seen the Pivot offense before, and what he recognized was what that a giant with great passing instincts would be a perfect Dehnert-style Pivot, and he came to the Blazers because he saw such a specimen in Portland.

And then finally, after literal decades of little hope on this front, we got blessed with the greatest Pivot talent we’ve ever seen in Nikola Jokic.

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In Jokic we have that rare talent who just comes into the NBA knowing how to improvise impact from Day 1. I’d draw a link there to Larry Bird, who is perhaps the ultimate example of this capacity.

On the basis of Jokic’s talent, Denver implemented a Pivot scheme with players cutting around him and Jokic has become an MVP-level player with it, and hence the throughline from the Original Celtics to Jokic.

Jokic the Horse Lord

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As many know, Nikola Jokic’s true passion is horses. He raises them to race in a stable, and he seems clearly to be a guy who will probably disappear from the NBA community after he retires as a result.

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The Celtics and the Centaurs

The Original Celtics were named after the Celts.

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The Celts are associated specifically with the Irish, and many Irish immigrated to the US, so you started getting nicknames associated with that ethnic group - such as the Notre Dame Fighting Irish or the Original Celtics.

(It’s worth noting that none of the players I’ve highlighted from the team are Irish. Holman was of Russian Jewish descent, Joe Lapchick Czech, and Dutch Dehnert - you guessed it - Dutch.)

The Celts, in actuality existed in many places other than Ireland - they were one of the great antagonists of the Romans in continental Europe. They were also within the larger group called Indo-Europeans based on their language.

The Proto-Indo-European language is often said to be most noteworthy for it being the linguistic origin for horses.

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Geographically, we’re talking about the Euroasian Steppe.

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The extended East-West grassland allowed for a horse-based people to expand and dominate. The myth of the centaur then is thought to come from non-horsed peoples encountering men on horse ranging into their territory. Formidable and dangerous.

With the Steppe extending into Jokic’s home of Serbia, his own Indo-European roots and his love of horses, the choice to substitute “Centaur” in for “Celtics” seemed fun.

Backstory of the Original Centaurs

With the expansion of the NBA to 32 teams, a group in Louisville, Kentucky lobby for one of the new franchises and have the brilliant idea to recruit Jokic into the process. Their pitch to Jokic:

Come to Louisville, the horse mad home of the Kentucky Derby, and we'll give you anything you want!

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After some conversation of the Denver Nuggets ownership by Nikola Jokic's brothers, the franchise agrees to let Jokic come to the new franchise in Kentucky named the Original Centaurs. And Jokic then begins building his horse racing empire in a ranch on the outskirts of the city that eventually causes the entire area to be known as Little Sombor.

Building the Original Centaurs Team

2. Evan Mobley

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With the choice of Jokic, the question then becomes how best to support him. From a frontcourt-backcourt balance perspective, choosing a guard would make sense, but Jokic doesn’t actually need a guard the way bigs typically need guards. He certainly makes use of perimeter threats, but he’s weaker on defense and has really benefited with the addition of Aaron Gordon where he’s remarkably resilient when his perimeter partners disappear.

I had no idea who idea who would be available at the time of Jokic, but I did quickly think “Wouldn’t it be fun if I could get Mobley?”

Why? Well, I’m incredibly impressed when I see a rookie big who is truly elite as a defender from the jump. This hasn’t been the norm in the era where we have +/- data, and I’d imagine that the issue has a lot to do with guy coming out with so much less experience than they did back in the day, but what’s definitely the case is that it requires precocious awareness beyond what most hyped prospects have, especially among bigs.

You see the way he avoids fouling. You see him swoop in with great timing for a block. But you also see him successfully function in a Twin Towers situation. That is a BIG deal to me. Put two clueless bigs next to each other and they’re going to get in each other’s way. What’s so exciting about the Cavs is that the two bigs really seem to understand what the other guy is likely to do next.
And that makes both of them - Mobley and Jarrett Allen - candidates to play with Jokic defensively. Jokic won’t have the same mobility or vertical threat, but there’s no one savvier, and so he’ll figure out how to work with his defensive partner.

Of the two, Mobley was my preference. I think you can certainly make the argument that Allen is the more valuable player for the Cavs right now, but I’m more excited Mobley in part because of how quickly he’s figured things out so far. Defense is the main draw, but his awareness is also paying off as a passer. What then could he do learning first hand from Jokic? What could he do surrounded by a supporting cast trained to play around a Pivot?

Of course, Allen wasn’t available by the time I picked so that was moot. Felt very lucky Mobley was.

Other players considered: Myles Turner, Jaren Jackson Jr., Mikal Bridges

3. Darius Garland

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Once I got Mobley, there was no question that the next pick would be a perimeter guy. Immediately I can’t help but think of players like Jamal Murray - even considered picking Murray with the injury downgrade. Quick player who can shoot, pass, drive, and click with other players, particularly bigs…

First guys who came to mind for me were Lonzo Ball, Fred VanVleet, Kyle Lowry & Mike Conley. Zo & FVV were gone by the time I picked, and I might have picked them, but since I was kinda stealing the Cavs approach, it really made a lot of sense to grab the other guy from the Cavs core: Garland.

And I’ll say, I had a bit of an outdated view of Garland before really considering this pick, but I think Garland’s playing like an all-star this year. Garland has become much more proactive with Sexton out, and we’re seeing amazing chemistry for him with both the Cav bigs. This is not someone who gets tunnel vision, but someone who can adapt to what’s going on as a play develops who also knows his teammates’ preferences.

Kinda sounds like Murray. Smaller though, and that really meant perimeter defense became a priority.

4. Dillon Brooks

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The first guy who came to mind for me was Marcus Smart. I wanted someone with outstanding defense and intensity. I had also thought about Alex Caruso. Was not expecting him to be gone by this point. Matisse Thybulle is a terrifying defender, but like Smart that shooting is limited.

But I do think Brooks is really standing out as a difference maker on both sides of the ball despite the fact that his shot selection isn’t the best. To me that’s something that being with Jokic could really help. I also think the kinetic nature of Brooks game works with Jokic. The transition connection will be sweet.

5. Royce O’Neale

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Quality 3 & D perimeter guy, ideally proven as a starting 5 level guy on a serious team. O’Neale has been this for the Jazz now consistently the last few years, and that’s no small thing.

Had been looking for roughly more of the same in this round so the other guys mentioned were still in play, but I really wanted someone who felt reliability to me having previously gotten the firestarter Brooks, and O’Neal fit the bill.

6. Nicolas Batum

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Because I built my team around two bigs, it made it critical who could play with either of those bigs, because I could not have those two players together the whole time. I felt the best way to find that was in a smaller player whose agility would be important with Jokic.

Up until recently, I hadn’t thought about Batum in years. But his play as a Stretch 5 on the Clippers caught my attention, and then I was particularly impressed seeing him come back in the different team context of the Olympics - playing with a true 5 in Gobert - and putting his impressive length to work.

7. Seth Curry

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As some may remember, I’m high on Seth specifically. I’ve been high on Seth longer than I’ve been high on Steph, because Steph got treated seriously as an NBA prospect and Seth did not. Really bugged me at the time specifically because at Duke, Seth played with Austin Rivers who was taken seriously as an NBA players, and there really wasn’t a question in my mind who had been more impressive to that point.

I am confident that Curry can be a starter on a championship team…however in this league, we’re hoping for more than that from our primary perimeter engine, so I never really considered him when I picked Garland. I did however think that he had a similar build to Garland, and so he was an option off the bench.

Additionally, I think Curry with Jokic is a dream come true, so I’ll be looking to pair Curry accordingly. No one is going to be better at finding Curry when he’s open than Jokic.

Curry was the pick if he was available, but I will mention Jordan Poole as someone who I may have picked otherwise. Was surprised Poole was still available.

8. Grayson Allen

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Was someone I was considering previously. Similar thought to O’Neale in that you’re talking about a role player who can shoot 3, is known for hard play, and who is getting big minutes on an elite team. Like his intensity.

9. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

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Once again, someone I was considering previously. Was a bit reluctant, honestly, because he’s such an afterthought this year. But to me he’s proven that he can be a big minute 3 & D guy on a champion team. In terms of accomplishment frankly more deserving than my previous pick, but still around for me at the end of the 9th round.

Also considered: De’Andre Hunter, Gary Harris, Juan Toscano-Anderson

10. Kevon Looney

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So, I approached my final pick more from a perspective of culture than anything else. I don’t need anyone else based on minutes, so I was going for someone who I thought would add positive culture every day in practice and who wouldn’t go negative if he didn’t play. Looney feels like that guy to me.

Roster
Grayson Allen, Wing, 6’4”, 198lb, Duke, Age: 26
Nicolas Batum, Wing/Big, 6’8”, 230lb, France, Age: 33
Dillon Brooks, Wing, 6’7”, 225lb, Oregon, Age: 25
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Wing, 6’5”, 204lb, Georgia, Age: 28
Seth Curry, Wing/Point, 6’2”, 185lb, Duke, Age: 31
Darius Garland, Point/Wing, 6’1”, 192lb, Vanderbilt, Age: 21
Nikola Jokic, Pivot/Big, 6’11”, 284lb, Serbia, Age: 26
Kevon Looney, Big, 6’9”, 222lb, UCLA, Age: 25
Evan Mobley, Big/Pivot, 7’0”, 215lb, USC, Age: 20
Royce O’Neale, Wing, 6’4”, 226lb, Baylor, Age: 28

Rotation
Key Lineups:

Full Centaur: Garland/O’Neal/Brooks/Mobley/Jokic
Biblical Joker: Curry/Caldwell-Pope/Brooks/Batum/Jokic
Mob Land: Garland/Allen/O’Neale/Batum/Mobley

Minutes
Simplest way to estimate is essentially based on 24 minutes of Full Centaur, and 12 minutes of each Biblical Joker & Mob Land. That would result in the following minutes distribution:

Jokic - 36
Mobley - 36
Garland - 36
Brooks - 36
O’Neal - 36
Batum - 24
Curry - 12
Allen - 12
Caldwell-Pope - 12
Looney - 0

I don’t get too granular here. I want all 48 minutes to be able to have either Jokic or Mobley out there, and so based on a 36 minute standard, that means that I play half the game with both in, and half the game with only one of them in.

So then I’ve got my preferred lineup, and then two secondary lineups meant to work well around each of my cornerstones well while honoring the 36 minute standard.

I am not suggesting that I’d expect my team numbers to be anywhere near this neat of course. I’d be trying to give playing time to all my guys each game, and things like foul trouble would likely ensure this even before the threat of injury.

I did however choose a 10th man for my roster that I thought would be able to function in this capacity. I’m impressed by how Looney’s been a team player working up from the fringes for the Warriors, and I’d be making clear to him that I want that for him here too, but that just as important is his role as a positive presence both culturally and in practice.

Offensive & Defensive Principles

On Coaching

I'm not qualified to be a coach. That might be an obvious statement, but I emphasize in particular at this point because of how incredibly adaptive the best modern coaching staffs are. Teams like Toronto or Golden State are constantly changing their specific lineups and schemes in the middle of live play based on what their opponent presents to them in that moment. I can't pretend to be able to operate on that level, and so my focus is more on how roughly how I can think this vision can work.

Offense

So as I went through in absurd detail, my offense is based on the Original Celtics’ Pivot Offense, with Jokic as the Pivot. That’s not to say we’ll be chained to that. The original Pivot Offense was focused simply on getting good shots closer to the basket. In the modern game we’re looking at cuts into the basket sure, but we’re also looking for cuts back out and around the arc.

Above all, Jokic is about improvising and making the best attack possible. In Holman’s analysis, he essentially described the ability for the Pivot to actually be the scorer as a threat to this ideal offense, but clearly you need to keep the defense honest. Jokic has proven to be able to be an incredibly effective volume scorer, and that’s just what he’ll do if the defense focuses on stopping his passing.

With Jokic out there, the other players will operate primarily as cutters in the half court, though that won’t mean that they all play the same role. While everyone out there is a threat from deep, I am particularly excited about using Mobley as a cutter to the rim. Meanwhile, I expect to see specific pick & roll action with Garland or Curry.

When Jokic isn’t out there, the offense will focus more on Garland’s playmaking and chemistry with Mobley, but I do think that Mobley can learn to operate in the Pivot role as well. That may seem like wishful thinking, but note on Ramsay’s Blazers that the offense proved quite resilient to losing Walton. It was the defense that they really couldn’t recover from.

My sense in general is that since this is not a common basketball technique in the modern game, you really need an outlier talent to justify adopting it and training up players to play like this - cutters gotta cut - but that it actually works pretty well even without a genius at the hub after that.

I’d note also that Jokic hasn’t been the kind of on/off monster he is this year previously. He’s looked great don’t get me wrong, but it’s a new thing this year, and I do think it has something to do with how depleted the roster is.

I’m not saying Jokic isn’t one of a kind, but I do think this strategy has more potential than people realize, and seeing the feel Mobley has for the game, using him a bit in this role in a secondary lineup seems like it’ll be just fine.

With Jokic we’ll be wanting to take advantage of transition opportunities in general, and I think my guys will get used to easy buckets like this. Here I’m think most about Dillon Brooks as well as my two small scorers (Garland & Curry).

I expect my team to be capable of seriously crashing the boards - with two bigs like I’ve got, seems like it may end up being a decided advantage - but I’m not intending to go whole hog on this. In the NBA right now it does seem like getting back on defense is the greater priority, and Denver & Cleveland play like this too, so when in doubt, we’ll play conservative here too.

One thing I want to especially note just to make it clear:

All 9 of the guys in my main planned rotation shoot at least one 3PA per game, and other than Mobley, the smallest number that any of them takes is 3.8. I doubt you'll find that with any actual NBA team in history, and I did this without relying on ball dominant chuckers. I did it largely filling out my roster with role players being asked to do what they already do well, I just differed from the real NBA in that I hoarded players who could take 3's into depth.

This is a team that can probably operate as a 5-out offense more effectively than any team we've ever seen, if that's what the defense gives, and it should be very scary to face imho.

Defense

I have less creative inspiration here. I’m inclined to take what’s working for Denver and especially Cleveland right now.

In Denver, what I see is that they are looking to protect Jokic specifically with Aaron Gordon's backside rotation. This allows Jokic to be more aggressive in general with his man, and specifically more aggressive in the pick & roll (hedge rather than pure drop) - allowing his intelligence and his size to disrupt whatever the attack was meant to be.

In Cleveland, we see something similar with Allen in Jokic's place and Mobley in Gordon's. It's not that simple of course - the Allen & Mobley duo is a uniquely talent twin towers in the modern game - but from a perspective of emulating what's working for Denver, to me Mobley makes it a clear upgrade.

So then Mobley takes the toughest front court matchup, and then continues to make great decisions on how to help as a "goalie" as the play develops.

Jokic obviously will be assigned to the most appropriate offensive player based on his size unless that player is assigned to Mobley, and the two work together as described to defend against the pick & roll attacks that the offense is likely to throw Jokic's way.

I’m going to be asking my 4 perimeter role players (Brooks, O’Neale, Allen & KCP) to be focused on defense, and looking to fight through screens. We’ll be looking to protect the two perimeter engines (Garland & Curry), but also protecting my bigs so they don’t end up out on an island.

Additionally, when Mobley is on the floor, I expect we'll be able to be particularly aggressive going for steals which when successful will lead to easy transition opportunities, and even when they fail will tend to result in great outlet passes from the tall trees on the interior.

I do also think that my defense can operate quite effectively in a zone formation when operating against teams whose outside shooting isn't elite, though in this league, I expect the shooting to be quite strong so we'll see if that's relevant in a matchup.
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Post#12 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:02 am

Baski wrote:I wanted to build the team offense around forcing easy shots and a defense around forcing tough shots.

My lineup
Gobert/Nurkic
Ingram/Love/Gay
Ingles//Ingram
Booker/Robinson
Caruso/Clarkson

Subject to change depending on the opponent, my minute distribution looks something like this:
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I'd close with this:
Gobert
Ingram
Ingles
Booker
Caruso

So Gameplan:

Offense
Base characteristic is that my worst non-big shooter is Caruso, which is fine because he shoots 42% on wide open 3s this season and 45% last season. Aside from Rudy and Nurkic, everyone is a threat from the 3pt line, keeping the floor well-spread for them to attack the rim.

So the gameplan is gonna be heavy on the PnR. Rudy being one of the best bigs in the league in the PnR, I made sure to surround him with competent to elite PnR ball handlers in Booker/Ingram/Clarkson/Ingles. There'll be a minimum of two of them on the court at all times. With the wealth of elite guards with so-so at best defensive ability, we'll be sure to attack them and put pressure on their teammates, particularly their Cs to hesitate/make mistakes that either lead to a Rudy finish at the rim, an open 3pt shot, or a sequence of defensive scrambling till the open man is found. Where I feel comfortable doing so, Love will be used for the PnP, which is either an efficient 3, an open midrange, a line to the rim where Ingram shoots 64%, Ingles 73%, a lob for Rudy or a kickout to a shooter.

When Rudy sits, Nurkic will mostly play the same role, but with some handoffs for D-Rob and a lot of cutting from Caruso/D-Rob/Ingram mixed in for Nurk to utilize his vision and passing. I would love to use Love here as well, but I can't imagine an opposing lineup that allows me to use him at center without being punished for that. We'll see. Depending on how the matchup looks, I might increase D-Rob's minutes to tire out the opponent's perimeter defenders a bit more with his constant movement. I bet their main ballhandler would be put on Caruso or Clarkson, so I'd let him screen for D-Rob and see how they react to that. Nurk gives me the option of punishing small ball centres inside and on the boards, but we'll see how viable that is.

Defense
Base characteristic is that the team has mostly very good defenders around an elite in-out defender. In spite of the stellar results, Rudy has been hampered by weak perimeter defenders that constantly force him to cover multiple positions at once. I feel that with this team, I can minimize that when needed without affecting the offense. Guys like Booker, Clarkson and Robinson don't have reputations for being elite on that end, but they've shown to be able to work well in good defensive schemes.

We play to Rudy's strengths mostly. Standard drop scheme similar to what the Jazz do. Go under the screen for the wing ballhandler with less than elite 3ball, go over for elite guards. In a 1-5 or 2-5 PnR, here is where I think Caruso will really shine. He's slippery as an eel and damn near unaffected by picks, so he mostly forces the ball handler to take him 1-on-1 (which we're fine with) while allowing Rudy enough time to position himself and direct teammates to the right positions. If it's any version of a G/F PnR I'm fine with switching as I'm confident in any one of Ingram/Caruso/Ingles to stay with their man and Rudy/Nurkic staying back ready in the case of a breakdown. I will look at using Love to trap if his matchup can't shoot very well and rely on Rudy to cover the roll man and his guy.

To address our biggest weakness of stretch bigs, I keep Rudy on the non-shooting big, but that is not always going to be an option, so I have the Caruso/Robinson/Ingles/Ingram lineup to put alongside him for maximum switchability while still allowing me to run my usual offense. I might go up in size and length by pushing Robinson out and slotting Gay in at PF, giving me a pretty long but mobile defensive lineup.
My team is hyper aware of matchup hunting, so I've instructed them to be on the lookout for potential targeting of say Booker or Clarkson, and preemptively switch with the nearest wing or Caruso. This has it's limits of course, so I can't claim it as an answer for matchup hunting, but the occasional Booker-Ingram swap or Love-Ingram swap is in the cards for some matchups.

So, speaking of hunting, let's talk about the elephant in the room.....Ehem..:

Kevin Love is not a defensive liability.........
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............................For my team. Lemme finish.

Ok ok, he's not exactly good, but hear me out:

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The case I want to make is that he is competent enough that he will not significantly hurt your defense.............when he is next to competent defenders. He can't protect the rim to save his life, but he will try (anyone remember what Jokic looked like when he was his team's rim protector?).
I expect opponents will try to attack him in the PnR, and when it works it can be bad, but he's got a great defensive team around him: Caruso will make forcing the switch very time consuming, if not impossible, Rudy will be near the rim to clean up mistakes, so that the others can stay on their man. On the plus side, Love is a great defensive rebounder and boxes out really well for teammates, and again, he will try on defense.

Now take this with a grain of salt, but the numbers support this as well. In 2016, The Cavs with engaged defenders around Love were the 10th best RS defense and 8th best PO defense. The lineup of LeBron/Smith/Irving/TT/Love had a 103.4 Drtg, which would've been good for 7th in the league that year, and mostly maintained that mark and ranking in the POs. Replacing Kyrie with Delly in that lineup made them elite at 93.9. The track record from 2017-2020 are self-explanatory, but not surprising. We know what Love can and can't do. But let's look at this season with him having the chance to share the court with a young motivated team, particularly with elite defenders in Mobley and Allen:

1. Love is 46th in defensive Raptor, 8th among PFs
2. Love is 50th in defensive WS, 26th among all forwards. This is including guys who have played less than 10 games.
3. Love's DFG% for shots less than 6ft from the rim is 53.1% at 3.9 defended per game. For context, Green is at 53.7% at 4.0 defended per game. Giannis is at 44% at 5.2 defended per game. Jokic is at 59.9% at 7.9 defended per game. Gobert is at 50.4% at 7.8 defended per game
4. 2 of the Cavs top 5 defensive 5-man lineups (>=20 mins played) by Drtg have Love in them, albeit next to one of Mobley or Allen.
5. 3 of the Cavs top 5 defensive 3-man lineups (>=100 mins played) by Drtg have Love in them, only one of which has Mobley.
6. Love has the best Drtg of his career so far at 98.8, followed by 2013, 2015 and 2016

Now you might say that Love isn't playing starter minutes this year, but I'm not asking him to for my team. I really value what he brings offensively for 20-25 minutes, and have built a team that can live with him defensively, perhaps even be enhanced by him............perhaps. Look, Kevin isn't a great defensive player, he's not even good if we're being extra blunt, but if you build your team right, which I have tried to do, he's simply not capable of doing so much damage that his offensive value is irrelevant. So I hope that if your immediate reaction to seeing him is "unplayable", "liability". etc., after reading this you'll look around him and maaaaaaybe have a tamer expectation.


Hmm. This feels like way too much talking about one player who may not even start. Damn you Ryoga. You were right.

I know you already hate me, but:
- you sure Jingles can handle 30 minutes of playoff basketball at this stage? You're basically asking him to be your primary PG
- In general there's not so much passing and playmaking around, and you need that to actually make Rudy a productive player on offense. Caruso is not much of creator, Booker is more of a scorer, Clarkson is a gunner and even your wings are not known as amazing connectors. Ingram showed something on ball in the past (while being a bit of a ball stopper, though), but it might be a big bet to use him this way here
- how do you see Ingram's defense? He's been quite inconsistent in NO, You have Rudy behind that will allow you to get away with a lot of stuff, but that might be the difference between having Utah 2018 level defense or 2021 level defense
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Post#13 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:07 am

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Starting lineup
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PG: Luka Doncic ► Floor general, PnR maestro, go-to scorer. His step-back jumper is literally unguardable.
SG: Jaylen Brown ► First option in the open court. 3+D+slasher+cutter in the half court
SF: Gordon Hayward ► Secondary shot creator in the half court
PF: OG Anunoby ► 3+D role player
C: Clint Capela ► Screener: ranks 4th in the NBA in screens assists per game, PnR specialist: scores 1.28 PPP as a roller, Rim protector

Second unit
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PG: Derrick White ► Heady 2-way combo guard. Runs the point when Luka sits on the bench.
SG: Josh Richardson ► 3+D role player. Shoots 40.5% from 3 this season on 3.6 attempts per game. Scores 1.17 PPP as a spot up shooter which ranks in the 85th percentile.
SF: Evan Fournier ► Secondary shot creator in the half court. He's scoring 1.04 PPP as a PnR ball handler this season which ranks in the 91th percentile.
PF: Cam Johnson ► 3+D role player. Shoots 43.1% from 3 this season on 5.4 attempts per game. Scores 1.28 PPP as a spot up shooter which ranks in the 94th percentile.
C: Christian Wood ► Versatile big. He can stretch the floor. He can set picks on the perimeter and either roll to the basket or pop for 3. He can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. He can protect the rim. He can switch ball screens on the perimeter. He's an elite PnR defender. Allows 0.53 PPP when defending the PnR which ranks in the 92nd percentile! He's a terrific rebounder. His only weakness is his court vision, but I'll be using him off the ball.

Offense:
The vast majority of playoff games are won in the half court. Needless to say, Luka thrives in the half court! My go-to moves are the PnR and the PnP. Luka, Derrick White, Hayward and Fournier are the PnR ball handlers. Capela and Wood are the rollers. Wood is the popper. PnR/PnP are the most devastating team moves in the modern NBA. If you have the right players, they become unstoppable moves. I'm absolutely confident that I chose the right players to execute my plan. Luka is a PnR magician. Capela is a PnR specialist. Wood is an elite roller when playing alongside a reliable ball handler. He was scoring 1.50 PPP as a roller during his breakout season in Detroit which ranked in the 95th percentile! Good luck trying to stop the Luka-Capela PnR and the Luka-Wood PnR or PnP.

There are 6 ways to defend the PnR:
1) Switch: The roller has a mismatch against the opposing guard. Luka is crafty enough to find the roller. Easy points under the basket. Alternatively, Luka has a mismatch against the opposing big on the perimeter.
2) Go under the pick: Luka shoots a wide open 3. Make no mistake about it. Luka may be shooting 32.6% from 3 this season, but that's cause he's taking tons of difficult 3s. He's hitting 46.4% of his wide open 3s!
3) Go over the pick: Luka turns the corner and attacks the basket. He's now playing 5 vs 4. This creates tons of opportunities. He can take an open long 2. He can lock the defender on his back using his hostage dribble and finish with almost no contest closer to the rim. He can find the open man in case the defense collapses on the ball. He can find the cutters in case the opposing big helps the retreating guard. I could go on and on...
4) Hedge and Recover: The opposing big is exposed on the perimeter. Luka is crafty/tall enough to find the roller.
5) Blitz the Pick: Luka is crafty enough to split the trap. Alternatively, he can find the open man.
6) ICE the pick: This is part of the reason I drafted Wood. I'm putting Wood in the game and he plays PnP with Luka. Wood shoots 50% in wide-open 2s this season and 37.1% in wide-open 3s.

Luka can read all these situations in a heartbeat. His BBIQ is out of this world! He's one of the best floor generals of all time. Not to mention, he's 6'7'' which means he can see over his opponents. I'm challenging anybody to come up with a viable plan to stop Luka in the PnR/PnP. It just isn't possible. Nobody has done it in real life. I highly doubt it will happen here.

Defense:
Generally speaking, we run a switch-heavy defensive scheme. A few notable exceptions:
- Capela may switch or drop back and protect the rim (depending on matchups).
- Wood may switch, drop or hedge and recover (depending on matchups).
- If the opposing team has no stretch big on the floor, we ICE the pick. Plenty of teams have no stretch big on their roster.

I could go on and on, but it's already a long post. Nobody is gonna bother to read it.

I really like this team, and there's a lot of fun in building around someone like Luka.
The only thing I have is that you don't have much versatility on defense, but I think you could do more if you leave White on ball for extended minutes. I really like Derrick, if you can convince people that his shot is going to get back to bubble level he's a third rounder in my book.
If we end up playing each other I have a few ideas to throw at you defensively, get ready!
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Re: Build Your Realistic Team - Present your team 

Post#14 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:17 am

durantbird wrote:Shai Gilgeous-Alexander / Tyrese Maxey
Desmond Bane / CJ McCollum
Paul George / RJ Barrett
Jaren Jackson Jr / PJ Washington
Bam Adebayo / Mitchell Robinson

Five great defensive guys on the starting lineup, and lots of offensive options and spacing around the team's star Paul George who is a great and willing passer. Shai will be the main initiator of the offense, with PG13 being a secondary ball-handler and Bam at the C is also an incredible passer. Many versatile defenders who are switchable - Shai and Bane can defend guards as well as forwards, George and Bam fast enough to help with on perimeter defense, and the interior defense with Bam and JJJ will be incredible. Off the bench I have an ideal sixth man with CJ McCollum who can be an offensive x-factor and a sniper off the bench and can also play minutes as point gaurd, Maxey who's also a great shooter, defender and has had a nice season as Philly's main floor manager so far, PJ Washington who brings great spacing and defensive versatility, Barrett who is highly underrated and came off a great season last year and a great two way player, and Mitch Rob who's been one of the premier big men defenders in the league. There isn't much of a talent drop in the bench, and every player from the bench can easily fill a starter role and explode on a given night. Also the bench unit is really balanced offensively-defensivley, with CJ as the only less than average defender (but a top end offensive talent), surrounded by 9 great defensive players. Also the spacing is phenomenal with SGA-Bane-McCollum-Maxey-George-JJJ-PJ-RJ.

There are many optional lineups that can work well, like small ball lineups with George at PF or Washington at C - with many variations for the other guys alongside them - for example Maxey McCollum SGA Geroge Washington or SGA McCollum Bane George Bam; or go bigger, with George and Barrett (even PJ) as SG-SF, SGA at point and any combination of Mitch / Bam / JJJ.

I wouldn't go as far as calling Shai a "great defensive guy", but this is a incredibly interesting team.
The thing is that I really love the theory of a JJJ/Bam duo inside, but we must always keep in mind that the real JJJ hasn't always been what he should have on paper. And you need him to protect the rim as Bam is not as strong on help defense while putting Robinson in would limit your spacing a lot.
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Post#15 » by durantbird » Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:36 am

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
durantbird wrote:Shai Gilgeous-Alexander / Tyrese Maxey
Desmond Bane / CJ McCollum
Paul George / RJ Barrett
Jaren Jackson Jr / PJ Washington
Bam Adebayo / Mitchell Robinson

Five great defensive guys on the starting lineup, and lots of offensive options and spacing around the team's star Paul George who is a great and willing passer. Shai will be the main initiator of the offense, with PG13 being a secondary ball-handler and Bam at the C is also an incredible passer. Many versatile defenders who are switchable - Shai and Bane can defend guards as well as forwards, George and Bam fast enough to help with on perimeter defense, and the interior defense with Bam and JJJ will be incredible. Off the bench I have an ideal sixth man with CJ McCollum who can be an offensive x-factor and a sniper off the bench and can also play minutes as point gaurd, Maxey who's also a great shooter, defender and has had a nice season as Philly's main floor manager so far, PJ Washington who brings great spacing and defensive versatility, Barrett who is highly underrated and came off a great season last year and a great two way player, and Mitch Rob who's been one of the premier big men defenders in the league. There isn't much of a talent drop in the bench, and every player from the bench can easily fill a starter role and explode on a given night. Also the bench unit is really balanced offensively-defensivley, with CJ as the only less than average defender (but a top end offensive talent), surrounded by 9 great defensive players. Also the spacing is phenomenal with SGA-Bane-McCollum-Maxey-George-JJJ-PJ-RJ.

There are many optional lineups that can work well, like small ball lineups with George at PF or Washington at C - with many variations for the other guys alongside them - for example Maxey McCollum SGA Geroge Washington or SGA McCollum Bane George Bam; or go bigger, with George and Barrett (even PJ) as SG-SF, SGA at point and any combination of Mitch / Bam / JJJ.

I wouldn't go as far as calling Shai a "great defensive guy", but this is a incredibly interesting team.
The thing is that I really love the theory of a JJJ/Bam duo inside, but we must always keep in mind that the real JJJ hasn't always been what he should have on paper. And you need him to protect the rim as Bam is not as strong on help defense while putting Robinson in would limit your spacing a lot.

This season JJJ was highly stable though. Him and Bane have a huge part in Memphis' success this year, and in their win streak with Ja out in particular. Shai is probably an underrated defender; as the current star of OKC, he's required to do more on offense and hence puts smaller defensive effort, but as part of the 3 guards trio OKC had a showed how talented a defender he is, and with his long wingspan, ability to stay in front of guards and swings as well, he should definitely be regarded as a two way player when he's not the first option on the team and can put more effort defensively.
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Re: Build Your Realistic Team - Present your team 

Post#16 » by Baski » Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:53 pm

Really appreciate the questions Ryoga. Helps to bring out more of my team's identity.

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I know you already hate me, but:
- you sure Jingles can handle 30 minutes of playoff basketball at this stage? You're basically asking him to be your primary PG

For the minutes, I think he'll be fine. It's right around his career averages for the playoffs. Given my construction, I don't think I'd call anyone a primary PG in that sense. I've got a bunch of guys, all of whom who can, and will, initiate the offense. Jingles won't bear a disproportionately large chunk of the playmaking burden.

- In general there's not so much passing and playmaking around, and you need that to actually make Rudy a productive player on offense. Caruso is not much of creator, Booker is more of a scorer, Clarkson is a gunner and even your wings are not known as amazing connectors. Ingram showed something on ball in the past (while being a bit of a ball stopper, though), but it might be a big bet to use him this way here

On the one hand, I think you're underestimating Rudy a tad. He doesn't require that much from a PnR partner. He'd be unstoppable with CP3 or Curry, but he only needs someone who can make use of a screen, is a threat to shoot and pass for elite offense.
On the other hand, I'd say there is in fact a lot of passing/playmaking. Ingram, Ingles, Booker and Clarkson all have combo guard skills, and Love/Nurkic provide plenty of post passing. I won't say I wasn't trying (and failing) to get a more natural PG in the draft, but these guys are all great at what I'm asking them to do. Clarkson will definitely favour scoring over passing, but he's ranked pretty highly in PnR PPP over the past few years, so I'll live with that for the minutes I have him on ball. Caruso isn't going to be running the PnR, but his vision and passing are very good. He's great at throwing inside passes and lobs to cutters, never misses the opportunity to make the extra pass, and has the occasional "WTF was that" read and pass that you rarely see from a role player. In fact, when I run screen actions for Clarkson/Ingles/D-Rob, it'll be him making the pass, if not Nurkic.

- how do you see Ingram's defense? He's been quite inconsistent in NO, You have Rudy behind that will allow you to get away with a lot of stuff, but that might be the difference between having Utah 2018 level defense or 2021 level defense

I'm pretty high on him. Center length and SF mobility in single body is pretty valuable for wing defenders (also why I got Gay) His performance in NO is no doubt because he's been playing the No1 option role. He'll be a secondary playmaker for me, so that should bring back his impressive showings as a versatile wing stopper on the Lakers. And as you said, having Rudy behind him will make him even more effective.
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Post#17 » by Colbinii » Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:50 pm

Draft
Round 1: Joel Embiid
Round 2: Zach LaVine
Round 3: Mikal Bridges
Round 4: Mike Conley
Round 5: Jae Crowder
Round 6: Patrick Beverley
Round 7: Gary Payton II
Round 8: Eric Gordon
Round 9: Nemanji Bjelica
Round 10: Mo Bamba

Player Overview

Spoiler:
Joel Embiid - Currently putting together another monster year this season on both ends of the court. He is the most physically dominant player in the NBA and has no weaknesses currently on either end of the court [Aside from Health, of course]. He is the centerpiece for our team on both ends, carrying a scoring load offensively while providing a unique level of spacing for a center. Defensively he is going to be the biggest player on the court but nimble enough to not get taken advantage of in the Pick & Roll.

Zach LaVine - LaVine has finally had help around him and he is flourishing as a scorer. He is averaging north of 26/5/4 on over 40% from 3 on high volume. He is putting up career numbers on career-low assisted rate, pointing towards a player who will be dominant in post-season play when defenses tighten up and shot making is at a premium.

Mikal Bridges- Bridges has played like an all-star this season, leading the Phoenix Suns in minutes, on-court rating and is a sensational shooter from the corner 3. His defense blends perfectly with Embiid and helps cover for any potential lapses LaVine may have, also will always take the better offensive wing on the opposition.

Mike Conley - Another per-minute all-star on this roster. He is going to be perfectly suited for a 3rd/4th option offensively and his complimentary game is going to be a flawless fit next to LaVine and Bridges.

Jae Crowder - An undersized 4 who can knock down the open 3 but most importantly, adds a layer of nasty to the team which he did for Miami and Phoenix. Beautiful fit as a hustle guy and shot-maker next to all the talent on the team.

Patrick Beverley - Beverley has turned the Minnesota Timberwolves from a laughing stock defensively to a competitive defensive unit. His defensive reputation hasn't proceeded him here as he is still one of the better defensive guards in the league. We have enough talent to take the ball out of his hands offensively while him and Crowder add an edge to an already talented team.

Gary Payton II - The MVP of the Warriors...alright but he is great. A 6' 4" guard who can defend 1-4, hit the 3 and finishing around the rim. He is most important player on my team for everything he can do.

Eric Gordon - Still one of the best shooters in the NBA, his spacing and scoring is going to elevate the bench unit above most others in this game. His defensive deficiencies get covered up when all other guards on this roster are defensive dynamos (sans LaVine).

Nemanji Bjelica - A Stretch 4 who fits next to Embiid like a tailored suit. He provides playmaking, spacing and has an intelligent feel to the game, making him a great fit in high-talent games.

Mo Bamba - Bamba is finally able to finish at a high enough rate around the rim where he isn't a complete liability. He will see limited minutes on the roster but is expected to play against other "Big" Centers.


Vision and Principles

The Vision I had after selecting Embiid was to select a dynamic offensive wing to compliment him--I feel like LaVine fits this to a T. He has simply become one of the best scorers in the NBA Today while being a lights-out shooter. To maximize Embiid and LaVine, an a Point Guard who can run pick and roll but also knock down shots is required and Mike Conley has made a living doing just this for over a decade. While Conley is older, he still can produce at a high level in 28-32 MPG, which is what he will be tasked with. Next to them I have two prime glue guys--Crowder and Bridges--though Bridges is definitely more than a glue guy. This starting line-up is captured by having strong, athletic two-way players up and down the roster and a uber-talented wing in LaVine.

The bench players were chosen as all have extreme strengths [and perhaps weaknesses]. I'm a big proponent of players who are good at a few things to be maximized in that role. Take Patrick Beverley, he comes off the bench and adds an edge to the team. Asked to create offensively and you are in for inefficiency, but when the ball isn't in his hands he becomes a high-impact player. Eric Gordon isn't a respectable defender, but next to Bridges/Crowder/Beverley on the wing, his defensive deficiencies become hidden and the 44% 3 PT shooter is unlocked. GPII is one of the best defenders in the league, and he can shoot, and he can finish. Why not use him as an undersized 4 offensively and put him in pick-and-roll with Embiid [Embiid the ball handler]. How is that stoppable? Who is guarding the rim for LaVine and GPII crashing it? Bjelica has shown to be a basketball savant in terms of feel for the game. A player who fits with anyone on the roster and is unselfish. Bamba competes the bench as a shot-blocking big who fills minutes as needed.

Line-ups and Minutes

Mike Conley - 28-32 MPG (PG)
Zach LaVine - 35-38 MPG (SG + SF)
Mikal Bridges - 33-36 MPG (SG + SF + PF)
Jae Crowder - 27-30 MPG (PF + SF)
Joel Embiid - 35-37 MPG (C)

Patrick Beverley - 10-16 MPG (PG + SG)
Gary Payton II - 14-20 MPG (SG + SF + PF)
Eric Gordon - 18-24 MPG (SG)
Nemanji Bjelica - 8-12 MPG (C + PF)
Mo Bamba - 0-8 MPG (C)
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Re: Build Your Realistic Team - Present your team 

Post#18 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:11 pm

Colbinii wrote:Draft
Round 1: Joel Embiid
Round 2: Zach LaVine
Round 3: Mikal Bridges
Round 4: Mike Conley
Round 5: Jae Crowder
Round 6: Patrick Beverley
Round 7: Gary Payton II
Round 8: Eric Gordon
Round 9: Nemanji Bjelica
Round 10: Mo Bamba

Player Overview

Spoiler:
Joel Embiid - Currently putting together another monster year this season on both ends of the court. He is the most physically dominant player in the NBA and has no weaknesses currently on either end of the court [Aside from Health, of course]. He is the centerpiece for our team on both ends, carrying a scoring load offensively while providing a unique level of spacing for a center. Defensively he is going to be the biggest player on the court but nimble enough to not get taken advantage of in the Pick & Roll.

Zach LaVine - LaVine has finally had help around him and he is flourishing as a scorer. He is averaging north of 26/5/4 on over 40% from 3 on high volume. He is putting up career numbers on career-low assisted rate, pointing towards a player who will be dominant in post-season play when defenses tighten up and shot making is at a premium.

Mikal Bridges- Bridges has played like an all-star this season, leading the Phoenix Suns in minutes, on-court rating and is a sensational shooter from the corner 3. His defense blends perfectly with Embiid and helps cover for any potential lapses LaVine may have, also will always take the better offensive wing on the opposition.

Mike Conley - Another per-minute all-star on this roster. He is going to be perfectly suited for a 3rd/4th option offensively and his complimentary game is going to be a flawless fit next to LaVine and Bridges.

Jae Crowder - An undersized 4 who can knock down the open 3 but most importantly, adds a layer of nasty to the team which he did for Miami and Phoenix. Beautiful fit as a hustle guy and shot-maker next to all the talent on the team.

Patrick Beverley - Beverley has turned the Minnesota Timberwolves from a laughing stock defensively to a competitive defensive unit. His defensive reputation hasn't proceeded him here as he is still one of the better defensive guards in the league. We have enough talent to take the ball out of his hands offensively while him and Crowder add an edge to an already talented team.

Gary Payton II - The MVP of the Warriors...alright but he is great. A 6' 4" guard who can defend 1-4, hit the 3 and finishing around the rim. He is most important player on my team for everything he can do.

Eric Gordon - Still one of the best shooters in the NBA, his spacing and scoring is going to elevate the bench unit above most others in this game. His defensive deficiencies get covered up when all other guards on this roster are defensive dynamos (sans LaVine).

Nemanji Bjelica - A Stretch 4 who fits next to Embiid like a tailored suit. He provides playmaking, spacing and has an intelligent feel to the game, making him a great fit in high-talent games.

Mo Bamba - Bamba is finally able to finish at a high enough rate around the rim where he isn't a complete liability. He will see limited minutes on the roster but is expected to play against other "Big" Centers.


Vision and Principles

The Vision I had after selecting Embiid was to select a dynamic offensive wing to compliment him--I feel like LaVine fits this to a T. He has simply become one of the best scorers in the NBA Today while being a lights-out shooter. To maximize Embiid and LaVine, an a Point Guard who can run pick and roll but also knock down shots is required and Mike Conley has made a living doing just this for over a decade. While Conley is older, he still can produce at a high level in 28-32 MPG, which is what he will be tasked with. Next to them I have two prime glue guys--Crowder and Bridges--though Bridges is definitely more than a glue guy. This starting line-up is captured by having strong, athletic two-way players up and down the roster and a uber-talented wing in LaVine.

The bench players were chosen as all have extreme strengths [and perhaps weaknesses]. I'm a big proponent of players who are good at a few things to be maximized in that role. Take Patrick Beverley, he comes off the bench and adds an edge to the team. Asked to create offensively and you are in for inefficiency, but when the ball isn't in his hands he becomes a high-impact player. Eric Gordon isn't a respectable defender, but next to Bridges/Crowder/Beverley on the wing, his defensive deficiencies become hidden and the 44% 3 PT shooter is unlocked. GPII is one of the best defenders in the league, and he can shoot, and he can finish. Why not use him as an undersized 4 offensively and put him in pick-and-roll with Embiid [Embiid the ball handler]. How is that stoppable? Who is guarding the rim for LaVine and GPII crashing it? Bjelica has shown to be a basketball savant in terms of feel for the game. A player who fits with anyone on the roster and is unselfish. Bamba competes the bench as a shot-blocking big who fills minutes as needed.

Line-ups and Minutes

Mike Conley - 28-32 MPG (PG)
Zach LaVine - 35-38 MPG (SG + SF)
Mikal Bridges - 33-36 MPG (SG + SF + PF)
Jae Crowder - 25-28 MPG (PF + SF)
Joel Embiid - 36-39 MPG (C)

Patrick Beverley - 8-16 MPG (PG + SG)
Gary Payton II - 10-15 MPG (SG + SF + PF)
Eric Gordon - 8-16 MPG (SG)
Nemanji Bjelica - 6-12 MPG (C + PF)
Mo Bamba - 0-8 MPG (C)
I think you're selling Eric Gordon's defense short, he's a strong dude that can gold his own against bigger players as well.
On the other hand, I am not buying the 44% 3 point shooting.

Anyway, one heck of a starting five (I think you took Bridges where he should have gone, there are not that many 3D guys really elite at both), but what kind of creation would you get from the bench?
And how many minutes are you planning to play Embiid? He historically arrives at the PS banged up with a certain tendency to gas out in fourth quarters, I think you should manage his load.

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Re: Build Your Realistic Team - Present your team 

Post#19 » by confucius » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:26 pm

Going to be submitting a rotation, and a writeup by tonight. Got busy this week but have been working on it as I go!
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Re: Build Your Realistic Team - Present your team 

Post#20 » by Colbinii » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:47 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I think you're selling Eric Gordon's defense short, he's a strong dude that can gold his own against bigger players as well.
On the other hand, I am not buying the 44% 3 point shooting.


Well then you probably won't buy him being a 45% 3P shooter this season. He is likely to regress to his mean of 36-37%, though the other season he shot around 44% in the regular season he managed to shoot above 40% in the same post-season.

Anyway, one heck of a starting five (I think you took Bridges where he should have gone, there are not that many 3D guys really elite at both), but what kind of creation would you get from the bench?


I dont play "Units". Its a reason players like GPII and Bjelica were selected--they thrive next to high IQ and talented players. I'll likely keep 2-3 starters on the court and mix and match the bench pieces to maximize their strengths.

But...

Eric Gordon: 5.6 Assists/100
Nemanja Bjelica: 5.4 Assists/100
Patrick Beverley: 8.8 Assists/100

That seems enough when one of Conley, LaVine or Embiid will see the court.

And how many minutes are you planning to play Embiid? He historically arrives at the PS banged up with a certain tendency to gas out in fourth quarters, I think you should manage his load.


He is arriving healthy.

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