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I believe they were the top power forwards during the early to mid 2010s.

So which one of them had the highest peak? Rank them!

I'd probably go:

Griffin
Aldridge
Bosh
Love

Griffin had the best playoff performance of the bunch, Aldridge was probably the best defender of the bunch but I've always felt his offense was pretty overrated and he was never a passer. Bosh and Love had better regular seasons than Aldridge, but let's face it as playoff performers they are simply below the other 2 here.

I have Love >= Griffin > Aldridge > Bosh

Aldridge, Griffin/Love, Bosh

I'd probably go Love > Griffin > Aldridge=Bosh. All pretty close, really.

Aldridge, Griffin, Bosh, Love.

I think Griffin is better than Aldridge on an impact basis but his injury proneness puts him below the former.

Bosh is worse in both RS and PS than both.

Love is Bosh with better 3 point shooting and worse defence.

Aldridge is the best, here. He was top 5 level in the 2014 Playoffs. Then Griffin was a weak mvp candidate. Love was at weak all-nba level. Bosh was not on the all-nba level.

Edit: Aldridge against Rockets in 5 games that playoffs(besides game 5):

34 PPG, 12 RPG, 2 APG, +4 rTS, +17 rORTG.

feyki wrote:Aldridge is the best, here. He was top 5 level in the 2014 Playoffs. Then Griffin was a weak mvp candidate. Love was at weak all-nba level. Bosh was not on the all-nba level.

Edit: Aldridge against Rockets in 5 games that playoffs(besides game 5):

34 PPG, 12 RPG, 2 APG, +4 rTS, +17 rORTG.

I can't get your love for selected small samples to prove your point

Why do you exclude game 5 in Rockets series? It wasn't a blowout win, LMA played poorly and that's why Rockets won.

Also, why do you exclude Spurs series? Aldridge was horrible in that series as well. As a whole, LMA 2014 postseason run was nothing special. When you look at his averages, you don't see top 5 player... because he was never on that level.

The truth is that he got incredibly hot in the first 2 games vs Rockets and after that he played on his usual level, which was never close to top 5 in the league. You excluded one game vs Rockets to make him look good, but what if I say that without first two games he was nothing special? Have a look:

LMA vs Rockets (without first 2 games): 22.5 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.8 tov on 47.0 TS%

I don't do that to make him look worse, I simply show that without these two games when he got incredibly hot, Aldridge played on his usual level and he wasn't efficient at all. He was even worse against the Spurs.

It's up to you to decide what's closer to his real value - two games when he scorer like a GOAT, or the rest of the playoffs when he played like he did for the rest of his prime.

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:Aldridge is the best, here. He was top 5 level in the 2014 Playoffs. Then Griffin was a weak mvp candidate. Love was at weak all-nba level. Bosh was not on the all-nba level.

Edit: Aldridge against Rockets in 5 games that playoffs(besides game 5):

34 PPG, 12 RPG, 2 APG, +4 rTS, +17 rORTG.

I can't get your love for selected small samples to prove your point

Why do you exclude game 5 in Rockets series? It wasn't a blowout win, LMA played poorly and that's why Rockets won.

Also, why do you exclude Spurs series? Aldridge was horrible in that series as well. As a whole, LMA 2014 postseason run was nothing special. When you look at his averages, you don't see top 5 player... because he was never on that level.

The truth is that he got incredibly hot in the first 2 games vs Rockets and after that he played on his usual level, which was never close to top 5 in the league. You excluded one game vs Rockets to make him look good, but what if I say that without first two games he was nothing special? Have a look:

LMA vs Rockets (without first 2 games): 22.5 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.8 tov on 47.0 TS%

I don't do that to make him look worse, I simply show that without these two games when he got incredibly hot, Aldridge played on his usual level and he wasn't efficient at all. He was even worse against the Spurs.

It's up to you to decide what's closer to his real value - two games when he scorer like a GOAT, or the rest of the playoffs when he played like he did for the rest of his prime.

I'd evaluate players based on their peaks/(any stretch of the year)the best version of them.

Spurs series was already out of competition. Actually you know it, but you may want to ignore it.

Love = Aldridge > Grffin >> Bosh

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:Aldridge is the best, here. He was top 5 level in the 2014 Playoffs. Then Griffin was a weak mvp candidate. Love was at weak all-nba level. Bosh was not on the all-nba level.

Edit: Aldridge against Rockets in 5 games that playoffs(besides game 5):

34 PPG, 12 RPG, 2 APG, +4 rTS, +17 rORTG.

I can't get your love for selected small samples to prove your point

Why do you exclude game 5 in Rockets series? It wasn't a blowout win, LMA played poorly and that's why Rockets won.

Also, why do you exclude Spurs series? Aldridge was horrible in that series as well. As a whole, LMA 2014 postseason run was nothing special. When you look at his averages, you don't see top 5 player... because he was never on that level.

The truth is that he got incredibly hot in the first 2 games vs Rockets and after that he played on his usual level, which was never close to top 5 in the league. You excluded one game vs Rockets to make him look good, but what if I say that without first two games he was nothing special? Have a look:

LMA vs Rockets (without first 2 games): 22.5 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.8 tov on 47.0 TS%

I don't do that to make him look worse, I simply show that without these two games when he got incredibly hot, Aldridge played on his usual level and he wasn't efficient at all. He was even worse against the Spurs.

It's up to you to decide what's closer to his real value - two games when he scorer like a GOAT, or the rest of the playoffs when he played like he did for the rest of his prime.

I'd evaluate players based on their peaks/(any stretch of the year)the best version of them.

Spurs series was already out of competition. Actually you know it, but you may want to ignore it.

So you evaluate Terence Ross based on his 51 points game?

I don't rememebr you evalutating 2021 Giannis based on his last 5 games of the finals when he averages 38/12/5/2 on 66 TS%. In fact, you always focus on his worst games against the Nets from the same playoffs run. I wonder why...

Besides, Spurs team was clearly better but it doesn't give an excuse for LMA to play poorly. You can play well even when you can't compete, LMA didn't play well.

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:I can't get your love for selected small samples to prove your point

Why do you exclude game 5 in Rockets series? It wasn't a blowout win, LMA played poorly and that's why Rockets won.

Also, why do you exclude Spurs series? Aldridge was horrible in that series as well. As a whole, LMA 2014 postseason run was nothing special. When you look at his averages, you don't see top 5 player... because he was never on that level.

The truth is that he got incredibly hot in the first 2 games vs Rockets and after that he played on his usual level, which was never close to top 5 in the league. You excluded one game vs Rockets to make him look good, but what if I say that without first two games he was nothing special? Have a look:

LMA vs Rockets (without first 2 games): 22.5 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.8 tov on 47.0 TS%

I don't do that to make him look worse, I simply show that without these two games when he got incredibly hot, Aldridge played on his usual level and he wasn't efficient at all. He was even worse against the Spurs.

It's up to you to decide what's closer to his real value - two games when he scorer like a GOAT, or the rest of the playoffs when he played like he did for the rest of his prime.

I'd evaluate players based on their peaks/(any stretch of the year)the best version of them.

Spurs series was already out of competition. Actually you know it, but you may want to ignore it.

So you evaluate Terence Ross based on his 51 points game?

I don't rememebr you evalutating 2021 Giannis based on his last 5 games of the finals when he averages 38/12/5/2 on 66 TS%. In fact, you always focus on his worst games against the Nets from the same playoffs run. I wonder why...

Besides, Spurs team was clearly better but it doesn't give an excuse for LMA to play poorly. You can play well even when you can't compete, LMA didn't play well.

Could Lebron compete in the 2007?

I'd rank 2021 Yannis in my top 20(or close) peaks all time, where I did rank him with the Nets Series? But I could say that Nets Series was too defensive-oriented relative to the league/playoffs and the Suns Series was too offensive-oriented even relative to the huge offensive-oriented league; so Yannis was not as good as the Finals and was not relatively less good as in the Nets Series'.

And it has to be a stretch(at least 300Poss for the Playoffs and 1000 for the seasons), sure. Why you so obsessive with the way of evaluate players impact, of me?

feyki wrote: Could Lebron compete in the 2007?

He couldn't win, but it doesn't change the fact that he should be blamed for poor performance. Compare how he played in 2007 vs 2018, the difference is massive even if the results are the same.

I'd rank 2021 Yannis in my top 20(or close) peaks all time, where I did rank him with the Nets Series?

You always bring up Nets series to say Giannis is not in consideration for the best player in the league.

But I could say that Nets Series was too defensive-oriented relative to the league/playoffs and the Suns Series was too offensive-oriented even relative to the huge offensive-oriented league; so Yannis was not as good as the Finals and was not relatively less good as in the Nets Series'.

Then do the same with 2014 Rockets vs Blazers, because it was way too offensive oriented relative to league.

And it has to be a stretch(at least 300Poss for the Playoffs and 1000 for the seasons), sure. Why you so obsessive with the way of evaluate players impact, of me?

I'm not obsessive, I simply see a lot of inconsistencies with your way of evaluation. You can prove anything you want with extremely small samples of size by cherry picking certain games.

Aldridge was never top 5 level player outside of first two games in the Rockets series. He didn't even play that well in the rest of the series, but you rounded up averages to make him look better (and you excluded his worst game with no explaination). Without the first 2 games, Aldridge played like Aldridge - decent all-star player who wasn't close to top 5.

It's a close poll. Nice!

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote: Could Lebron compete in the 2007?

He couldn't win, but it doesn't change the fact that he should be blamed for poor performance. Compare how he played in 2007 vs 2018, the difference is massive even if the results are the same.

I'd rank 2021 Yannis in my top 20(or close) peaks all time, where I did rank him with the Nets Series?

You always bring up Nets series to say Giannis is not in consideration for the best player in the league.

But I could say that Nets Series was too defensive-oriented relative to the league/playoffs and the Suns Series was too offensive-oriented even relative to the huge offensive-oriented league; so Yannis was not as good as the Finals and was not relatively less good as in the Nets Series'.

Then do the same with 2014 Rockets vs Blazers, because it was way too offensive oriented relative to league.

And it has to be a stretch(at least 300Poss for the Playoffs and 1000 for the seasons), sure. Why you so obsessive with the way of evaluate players impact, of me?

I'm not obsessive, I simply see a lot of inconsistencies with your way of evaluation. You can prove anything you want with extremely small samples of size by cherry picking certain games.

Aldridge was never top 5 level player outside of first two games in the Rockets series. He didn't even play that well in the rest of the series, but you rounded up averages to make him look better (and you excluded his worst game with no explaination). Without the first 2 games, Aldridge played like Aldridge - decent all-star player who wasn't close to top 5.

It's freedom to do not choose to play with %100 when the result already is clear. Casual fans always blame almost for everything, who cares about blame?

Rox-Blaz Series - %54,5 TS, %10,7 TOV,
2014 Playoffs - %54,8 TS, %12,8 TOV,

2021 Finals - %57,5 TS, %10,7 TOV,
2021 Playoffs - %57,1 TS, %11,2 TOV,

.Good catch, though; but does it change anything? Even with %5 less offensive impact Aldridge still on the top 5 player level.

Where's the inconsistency? The championship determines by that kind amount of sample sizes, it's not about me. If a player is with luck to play for better teams could play in between 10/20 games, rest of the players could play one or two round(mostly second round out of contend like LMA's 14 Playoffs). If anyone take into account that Spurs Series to evaluate Aldridge impact, then he has zero context about it.

Lebron without game 5 and 6 in the 2016 Finals(best finals since Shaq):

25 PPG, 11 RPG, 9 APG, +0,5 rTS, -2 rORTG

. With your logic Lebron is not even an all-nba player, but I have his 2016 as the 3th best year after 67 Wilt and 72 KAJ.

feyki wrote:Where's the inconsistency? The championship determines by that kind amount of sample sizes, it's not about me. If a player is with luck to play for better teams could play in between 10/20 games, rest of the players could play one or two round(mostly second round out of contend like LMA's 14 Playoffs). If anyone take into account that Spurs Series to evaluate Aldridge impact, then he has zero context about it.

You don't understand - Aldridge numbers look good only because of two games. He wasn't even close in the other 4 games of the series and he never replicated this level in his career before or since. LMA has been underwhelming postseason performer for almost his whole career, yet you want to judge him based on these 2 games.

Lebron without game 5 and 6 in the 2016 Finals(best finals since Shaq):

25 PPG, 11 RPG, 9 APG, +0,5 rTS, -2 rORTG

. With your logic Lebron is not even an all-nba player, but I have his 2016 as the 3th best year after 67 Wilt and 72 KAJ.

It's your logic to exclude some games and include the other ones. There is massive difference between these two situations:

1. LeBron did these things against one of the best teams ever, LMA did this against mediocre Rockets team.

2. LeBron has a long story of spectacular postseason performances, so we know it wasn't a fluke. LMA never did anything close to his first two games against Rockets again.

3. LeBron has been way better than all-nba player even when his shot wasn't falling. He was amazing playmaker and one of the best non-big defenders ever in that series. LeBron can brick his shots all game long and still have massive value. LMA looks good only because he got hot, once his shots stopped falling (after 2 games), he came back to his usual all-star level at best.

4. Production isn't everything, LMA didn't have a fraction of James overall impact even when he scored 40+ points.

5. James has been good throughout the finals, he had some weaker games but overall he was consistently great. LMA had two great games strictly because he got very hot and made everything, but after these two games he was nothing special

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:Where's the inconsistency? The championship determines by that kind amount of sample sizes, it's not about me. If a player is with luck to play for better teams could play in between 10/20 games, rest of the players could play one or two round(mostly second round out of contend like LMA's 14 Playoffs). If anyone take into account that Spurs Series to evaluate Aldridge impact, then he has zero context about it.

You don't understand - Aldridge numbers look good only because of two games. He wasn't even close in the other 4 games of the series and he never replicated this level in his career before or since. LMA has been underwhelming postseason performer for almost his whole career, yet you want to judge him based on these 2 games.

Lebron without game 5 and 6 in the 2016 Finals(best finals since Shaq):

25 PPG, 11 RPG, 9 APG, +0,5 rTS, -2 rORTG

. With your logic Lebron is not even an all-nba player, but I have his 2016 as the 3th best year after 67 Wilt and 72 KAJ.

It's your logic to exclude some games and include the other ones. There is massive difference between these two situations:

1. LeBron did these things against one of the best teams ever, LMA did this against mediocre Rockets team.

2. LeBron has a long story of spectacular postseason performances, so we know it wasn't a fluke. LMA never did anything close to his first two games against Rockets again.

3. LeBron has been way better than all-nba player even when his shot wasn't falling. He was amazing playmaker and one of the best non-big defenders ever in that series. LeBron can brick his shots all game long and still have massive value. LMA looks good only because he got hot, once his shots stopped falling (after 2 games), he came back to his usual all-star level at best.

4. Production isn't everything, LMA didn't have a fraction of James overall impact even when he scored 40+ points.

5. James has been good throughout the finals, he had some weaker games but overall he was consistently great. LMA had two great games strictly because he got very hot and made everything, but after these two games he was nothing special

You're too inconsistent right now within the 16 Lebron GSW and 14 LMA Rox Series' paradox.

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:Where's the inconsistency? The championship determines by that kind amount of sample sizes, it's not about me. If a player is with luck to play for better teams could play in between 10/20 games, rest of the players could play one or two round(mostly second round out of contend like LMA's 14 Playoffs). If anyone take into account that Spurs Series to evaluate Aldridge impact, then he has zero context about it.

You don't understand - Aldridge numbers look good only because of two games. He wasn't even close in the other 4 games of the series and he never replicated this level in his career before or since. LMA has been underwhelming postseason performer for almost his whole career, yet you want to judge him based on these 2 games.

Lebron without game 5 and 6 in the 2016 Finals(best finals since Shaq):

25 PPG, 11 RPG, 9 APG, +0,5 rTS, -2 rORTG

. With your logic Lebron is not even an all-nba player, but I have his 2016 as the 3th best year after 67 Wilt and 72 KAJ.

It's your logic to exclude some games and include the other ones. There is massive difference between these two situations:

1. LeBron did these things against one of the best teams ever, LMA did this against mediocre Rockets team.

2. LeBron has a long story of spectacular postseason performances, so we know it wasn't a fluke. LMA never did anything close to his first two games against Rockets again.

3. LeBron has been way better than all-nba player even when his shot wasn't falling. He was amazing playmaker and one of the best non-big defenders ever in that series. LeBron can brick his shots all game long and still have massive value. LMA looks good only because he got hot, once his shots stopped falling (after 2 games), he came back to his usual all-star level at best.

4. Production isn't everything, LMA didn't have a fraction of James overall impact even when he scored 40+ points.

5. James has been good throughout the finals, he had some weaker games but overall he was consistently great. LMA had two great games strictly because he got very hot and made everything, but after these two games he was nothing special

You're too inconsistent right now within the 16 Lebron GSW and 14 LMA Rox Series' paradox.

I explained you in five separate points why these two situations are not similar. If you don't want to understand it, then that's not my problem.