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Had Houston win in 1981, beating Boston in finals, Moses got fmvp, where does Moses then rank alltime?

That's three mvps, two championships and two fmvps.

Probably more in that 11-16 range. It doesn't really do away with his flaws but it would be one of the most impressive carry jobs in the history of the nba especially since it likely means that Moses has a much better finals. That was only a 41 win team in the rs.

All players have flaws, Moses was great at his strengths and was usually the best player in most of the games me played in his prime. Agree that probably he'd be in the 11-16 range. That 81 Houston team came close to being one of the greatest underdogs in history.

Hed prolly have the same legacy as Hakeem TBH would see him in more top 10s maybe just outside at worst

That Rockets supporting cast was very weak would be the weakest ever to win a title instead of the convo with 75 Warriors, 94 Rockets and 11 Mavs

GSP wrote:Hed prolly have the same legacy as Hakeem TBH would see him in more top 10s maybe just outside at worst

That Rockets supporting cast was very weak would be the weakest ever to win a title instead of the convo with 75 Warriors, 94 Rockets and 11 Mavs

I don’t think the 2011 Mavs belong with this team. Sansterre did a great write up of that team in his Top 100 teams series.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=2037492

Top 10 for me. That would be the biggest carry job in history.

Tier 0: Wilt

Tier 1:Kareem
Shaq
MJ

Tier 2:
Bill Russell
LBJ
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Dr J

I would move Moses into tier 2, from tier 3. He’d be around the same as Dr J.

That series wasn't particularly close. It wasn't like 08 ECSF between Boston-Cleveland in which a big upset was possible. Boston crushed Houston in 3 of the games.

Moses would have had to have been a lot better as a player.

euroleague wrote:Top 10 for me. That would be the biggest carry job in history.

Tier 0: Wilt

Tier 1:Kareem
Shaq
MJ

Tier 2:
Bill Russell
LBJ
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Dr J

I would move Moses into tier 2, from tier 3. He’d be around the same as Dr J.

shaq better carry jobs than hakeem? lebron in tier 2 for carry jobs? not saying you are necesarrily wrong but those are not the tiers i would use at all

which seasons are you thinking about for each player?

falcolombardi wrote:

euroleague wrote:Top 10 for me. That would be the biggest carry job in history.

Tier 0: Wilt

Tier 1:Kareem
Shaq
MJ

Tier 2:
Bill Russell
LBJ
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Dr J

I would move Moses into tier 2, from tier 3. He’d be around the same as Dr J.

shaq better carry jobs than hakeem? lebron in tier 2 for carry jobs? not saying you are necesarrily wrong but those are not the tiers i would use at all

which seasons are you thinking about for each player?

that's for all-time rankings, not carry jobs. carry jobs involve rings also, so I wouldn't have LBJ very high... Irving was putting in work.

For carry jobs, I'd have

1975 Rick Barry
1976 Dr J
1994 Hakeem
2000 Shaq
2003 Tim Duncan

as my top 5. Honorable mention Giannis 2022, Wade 2006

Kobe and Shaq within the elimination games played series in the 2000 Playoffs(WCF,WC1R):

Kobe - 23 PPG, 5 APG, %55 TS, 112 ORtg, 108 DRtg
Shaq - 27 PPG, 3,5 APG, %54 TS, 113 ORtg, 105 DRtg
. Shaq played with a level to shine like a crazy diamond in the easier series(mostly the Finals), but when the thing is tough, Kobe was really close to him at least offensive in the early 00's.

No, there was Bird and Moses wouldn't carry anything against clearly higher level player like Bird.

For carrying job;

75 Barry
94 Hakeem
03 Duncan
11 Dirk
, that's it.