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who are guys who really had the skill and talent ti have a more Prominent role, take more shots, do more in their offenses

but whether from lack of opportunity or a more "passive" personality settled into smaller or more specialized roles

basically the opposite of the guys who think they are stars and take more shots that their skill should Allow

i think nash would be taking more shots in today's league. efficiency speaks for itself and although it would likely drop with higher volume, it would definitely still be above league avg

James Worthy should have been a better rebounder.

Nic Batum, but due to injuries

Vince slowly over time, as gracefully as they come and go

Artis Gilmore is the guy for this thread.

Derrick Coleman

tony snell.i feel he should at least score a single point once in a while.

jeff teague. was super quick and could seemingly get in the paint when he wanted, while having a decent jump shot, and yet you'd go 2 quarters of a game where you barely noticed him on the court and he'd just settle for his usual 15-17 ppg. could have easily had some 20 ppg seasons.

70sFan wrote:Artis Gilmore is the guy for this thread.

He was not skilled.

Anthony Davis,Kobe because of the triangle,Garnett on the rim protection,Baron Davis and Conley.

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:Artis Gilmore is the guy for this thread.

He was not skilled.

Really? I don't think he lacked anything to be consistent 20+ ppg scorer.

Ben Simmons.

The guy had perennial MVP talent if he just took the game seriously.

Lamar Odem....watch the guy in college at Rhode Island and thought he was one of the most unique players I've seen. 6'10 and could handle the ball as a point forward, score, okay d when he wanted to.
If he had more of a mean streak guy would have been an all star every year. He easily had HOF talent, but effort and consistency wasn't there.

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70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:Artis Gilmore is the guy for this thread.

He was not skilled.

Really? I don't think he lacked anything to be consistent 20+ ppg scorer.

The footwork and fundemental where he seperate from KAJ. 20 PPG is not hard, though, even when a player in the finisher role for Gilmore kind of nature talent.

first guy who comes to mind for me is John Stockton. With his shooting ability and the rebounding he had in Eaton/Malone he absolutely could (should?) have averaged another 8ppg easily

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:Artis Gilmore is the guy for this thread.

He was not skilled.

Anthony Davis,Kobe because of the triangle,Garnett on the rim protection,Baron Davis and Conley.

Kobe Bryant was a lot of things, but I don't think passive was one of them.

Not sure why you think Eaton was a good rebounder. Despite being right under the basket, his career rebound rate is only 15. Greg Ostertag was a better rebounder. Eaton could block shots, that was pretty much his only talent other than size and in his best season, Stockton was a rookie backing up Ricky Green.

Chauncey Billups
John Stockton
Mark Price
Steve Nash
Chris Paul

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:Artis Gilmore is the guy for this thread.

He was not skilled.

Anthony Davis,Kobe because of the triangle,Garnett on the rim protection,Baron Davis and Conley.

Artis was as skilled as Shaq and a better shooter though not as good passing out of the post. His passivity was something that was widely criticized when he was playing.

I wouldn't call any of the 5 guys you mention passive, if anything Kobe and Baron go in the OP's other category, thought they were better than they were and called their own numbers too often.

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:
He was not skilled.

Really? I don't think he lacked anything to be consistent 20+ ppg scorer.

The footwork and fundemental where he seperate from KAJ. 20 PPG is not hard, though, even when a player in the finisher role for Gilmore kind of nature talent.

What fundamentals did Gilmore lack in his prime?

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feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:Artis Gilmore is the guy for this thread.

He was not skilled.

Anthony Davis,Kobe because of the triangle,Garnett on the rim protection,Baron Davis and Conley.

Kobe Bryant was a lot of things, but I don't think passive was one of them.

Not saying should be like Lebron,Harden,Doncic; but at least he could be ball-dominator as high as Wade/T-Mac.

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:Really? I don't think he lacked anything to be consistent 20+ ppg scorer.

The footwork and fundemental where he seperate from KAJ. 20 PPG is not hard, though, even when a player in the finisher role for Gilmore kind of nature talent.

What fundamentals did Gilmore lack in his prime?

Generally, footworks.

penbeast0 wrote:

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:Artis Gilmore is the guy for this thread.

He was not skilled.

Anthony Davis,Kobe because of the triangle,Garnett on the rim protection,Baron Davis and Conley.

Artis was as skilled as Shaq and a better shooter though not as good passing out of the post. His passivity was something that was widely criticized when he was playing.

Your this comment is luckless at the best. Shaq was the most skilled center ever, maybe beside of Hakeem. Saying a player couldn't even turnaround in the post effectively more skilled than a player who consistently finished the offences with classy spin moves, is insane.