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Which hybrid would you rather have?

Lebron Curry is a 6’8 hybrid that combines all the strengths of Lebron James and Stephen Curry

Nikola Robinson is a 7’1 hybrid that combines all the strengths of Nikola Jokic and David Robinson

Nikola Robinson. Offensively, Jokic on steriods with upgraded knees on spring. Defensively, DPOY DRob with quicker hands and higher IQ. You don't get much upgrade over LeBron besides GOAT shooting.

When the two teams against each other in the playoffs? Also Nikola Robinson. Robinson would turn LeBron an outside jump shooter, and Curry's postseason shooting can be tricky.

dygaction wrote:Nikola Robinson. Offensively, Jokic on steriods with upgraded knees on spring. Defensively, DPOY DRob with quicker hands and higher IQ. You don't get much upgrade over LeBron besides GOAT shooting.

When the two teams against each other in the playoffs? Also Nikola Robinson. Robinson would turn LeBron an outside jump shooter, and Curry's postseason shooting can be tricky.

How would they turn him into a jump shooter? By sagging off and daring him to shoot? Has a defense ever guarded Steph that way, regular or postseason?

parsnips33 wrote:

dygaction wrote:Nikola Robinson. Offensively, Jokic on steriods with upgraded knees on spring. Defensively, DPOY DRob with quicker hands and higher IQ. You don't get much upgrade over LeBron besides GOAT shooting.

When the two teams against each other in the playoffs? Also Nikola Robinson. Robinson would turn LeBron an outside jump shooter, and Curry's postseason shooting can be tricky.

How would they turn him into a jump shooter? By sagging off and daring him to shoot? Has a defense ever guarded Steph that way, regular or postseason?

Ok, outside shooter.
My main point is for Nikola Robinson, you are not just combining GOAT tier O with GOAT tier D, but you are improving GOAT tier O with significantly better athleticism - 2" taller, faster, stronger, higher flyer. While the value on O is debatable, the gap in D is going to be large.

both would be pretty gsmebresking but Nikola robinson defense edge may be a lot bigger than any possible offense edge...and i am high on peak lebron defense

related to this, i once made a thread asking how much value a "perfect" player would have on a team, somethingh like these hypotherical monstruosities, compared to real life all time greats

like if peak lebron/jordan/kareem are guys who improve a team by 8 points and take an average team into contenders

what would these guys do, take tanking teams into championship contenders? have a 40/10/10 in +10% statline ?

is hard to visualize the impact of a player this good

dygaction wrote:

parsnips33 wrote:

dygaction wrote:Nikola Robinson. Offensively, Jokic on steriods with upgraded knees on spring. Defensively, DPOY DRob with quicker hands and higher IQ. You don't get much upgrade over LeBron besides GOAT shooting.

When the two teams against each other in the playoffs? Also Nikola Robinson. Robinson would turn LeBron an outside jump shooter, and Curry's postseason shooting can be tricky.

How would they turn him into a jump shooter? By sagging off and daring him to shoot? Has a defense ever guarded Steph that way, regular or postseason?

Ok, outside shooter.
My main point is for Nikola Robinson, you are not just combining GOAT tier O with GOAT tier D, but you are improving GOAT tier O with significantly better athleticism - 2" taller, faster, stronger, higher flyer. While the value on O is debatable, the gap in D is going to be large.

Yeah I think it's tough to go against a 7 footer who's a bona fide offensive AND defensive anchor. Just disagree about the specifics of how you'd have to defend a hypothetical Lebron Curry

dygaction wrote:

parsnips33 wrote:

dygaction wrote:Nikola Robinson. Offensively, Jokic on steriods with upgraded knees on spring. Defensively, DPOY DRob with quicker hands and higher IQ. You don't get much upgrade over LeBron besides GOAT shooting.

When the two teams against each other in the playoffs? Also Nikola Robinson. Robinson would turn LeBron an outside jump shooter, and Curry's postseason shooting can be tricky.

How would they turn him into a jump shooter? By sagging off and daring him to shoot? Has a defense ever guarded Steph that way, regular or postseason?

Ok, outside shooter.
My main point is for Nikola Robinson, you are not just combining GOAT tier O with GOAT tier D, but you are improving GOAT tier O with significantly better athleticism - 2" taller, faster, stronger, higher flyer. While the value on O is debatable, the gap in D is going to be large.

I mostly agree but I think what Nikola Robinson really lacks is the shot creation / shot making ability. Late game clutch situations you're at a significant disadvantage compared to a Bron Curry.

jasonxxx102 wrote:

dygaction wrote:

parsnips33 wrote:
How would they turn him into a jump shooter? By sagging off and daring him to shoot? Has a defense ever guarded Steph that way, regular or postseason?

Ok, outside shooter.
My main point is for Nikola Robinson, you are not just combining GOAT tier O with GOAT tier D, but you are improving GOAT tier O with significantly better athleticism - 2" taller, faster, stronger, higher flyer. While the value on O is debatable, the gap in D is going to be large.

I mostly agree but I think what Nikola Robinson really lacks is the shot creation / shot making ability. Late game clutch situations you're at a significant disadvantage compared to a Bron Curry.

Jokic has already got a 3:1 record in games 7 of playoff series. He seems to be one of the clutchest players in the game. Didn't he have a 30pt 4th quarter+overtime and several game winning blocks and steals this season? See whether you agree with the definition of cluth here: https://www.sportscasting.com/nikola-jokic-is-twice-as-clutch-as-lebron-james-and-the-numbers-prove-it/

Shooting percentage in the final 10 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime on attempts that could tie the game or give his team the lead. Limiting the list to players with 15 or more attempts since the start of 2015-16 (from Jokic’s first in the league to Jan 2021 when the article was written)

1. Nikola Jokic, 10-for-20, 50.0%
2. Harrison Barnes, 7-for-17, 41.2%
3. Blake Griffin, 6-for-16, 37.5%
4. C.J. McCollum, 7-for-19, 36.8%
5. Victor Oladipo, 8-for-23, 34.8%
6. Kawhi Leonard, 9-for-26, 34.6%
8. Carmelo Anthony, 8-for-26, 30.8%
11. Russell Westbrook, 14-for-52, 26.9%
12. Jimmy Butler, 8-for-30, 26.7%
14. Stephen Curry, 4-for-16, 25.0%
19. (tie) Paul George, 6-for-27, 22.2%
19. (tie) LeBron James, 6-for-27, 22.2%
23. Kevin Durant, 4-for-21, 19.0%
29. James Harden, 3-for-20, 15.0%
30. Kyrie Irving, 2-for-15, 13.3%

dygaction wrote:

jasonxxx102 wrote:

dygaction wrote:
Ok, outside shooter.
My main point is for Nikola Robinson, you are not just combining GOAT tier O with GOAT tier D, but you are improving GOAT tier O with significantly better athleticism - 2" taller, faster, stronger, higher flyer. While the value on O is debatable, the gap in D is going to be large.

I mostly agree but I think what Nikola Robinson really lacks is the shot creation / shot making ability. Late game clutch situations you're at a significant disadvantage compared to a Bron Curry.

Jokic has already got a 3:1 record in games 7 of playoff series. He seems to be one of the clutchest players in the game. Didn't he have a 30pt 4th quarter+overtime and several game winning blocks and steals this season? See whether you agree with the definition of cluth here: https://www.sportscasting.com/nikola-jokic-is-twice-as-clutch-as-lebron-james-and-the-numbers-prove-it/

Shooting percentage in the final 10 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime on attempts that could tie the game or give his team the lead. Limiting the list to players with 15 or more attempts since the start of 2015-16 (from Jokic’s first in the league to Jan 2021 when the article was written)

1. Nikola Jokic, 10-for-20, 50.0%
2. Harrison Barnes, 7-for-17, 41.2%
3. Blake Griffin, 6-for-16, 37.5%
4. C.J. McCollum, 7-for-19, 36.8%
5. Victor Oladipo, 8-for-23, 34.8%
6. Kawhi Leonard, 9-for-26, 34.6%
8. Carmelo Anthony, 8-for-26, 30.8%
11. Russell Westbrook, 14-for-52, 26.9%
12. Jimmy Butler, 8-for-30, 26.7%
14. Stephen Curry, 4-for-16, 25.0%
19. (tie) Paul George, 6-for-27, 22.2%
19. (tie) LeBron James, 6-for-27, 22.2%
23. Kevin Durant, 4-for-21, 19.0%
29. James Harden, 3-for-20, 15.0%
30. Kyrie Irving, 2-for-15, 13.3%

Ok, so lets dig into the numbers a bit.

Here's the query from pbpstats that you can look at yourself if you want.
http://www.pbpstats.com/totals/nba/player?Season=2021-22,2020-21,2019-20,2018-19,2017-18,2016-17,2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&TeamId=1610612743&Leverage=VeryHigh

This is since 15-16 in very high leverage situations - read more about leverage here: https://darrylblackport.com/posts/2020-12-22-pbpstats-leverage/

Now this paints a bit different picture. Jokic is 23/48 from 2 and 0/9 from 3. Not great. Half of those points were assisted buckets, which shows that he's really not a great shot creator.

Steph is 11/26 from 2 and 9/34 from 3 but nearly all of his 2s and a little more than half of his 3s were unassisted. Surprisingly it's worse than I thought but shows the shot creation capability and 3pt shot making.

Lebron is slightly more efficient from 2 with nearly all of them coming unassisted and pretty inefficient from 3 and mostly assisted.

I think together they have a meaningful advantage in creating and making shots in late game clutch situations

jasonxxx102 wrote:

dygaction wrote:

jasonxxx102 wrote:
I mostly agree but I think what Nikola Robinson really lacks is the shot creation / shot making ability. Late game clutch situations you're at a significant disadvantage compared to a Bron Curry.

Jokic has already got a 3:1 record in games 7 of playoff series. He seems to be one of the clutchest players in the game. Didn't he have a 30pt 4th quarter+overtime and several game winning blocks and steals this season? See whether you agree with the definition of cluth here: https://www.sportscasting.com/nikola-jokic-is-twice-as-clutch-as-lebron-james-and-the-numbers-prove-it/

Shooting percentage in the final 10 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime on attempts that could tie the game or give his team the lead. Limiting the list to players with 15 or more attempts since the start of 2015-16 (from Jokic’s first in the league to Jan 2021 when the article was written)

1. Nikola Jokic, 10-for-20, 50.0%
2. Harrison Barnes, 7-for-17, 41.2%
3. Blake Griffin, 6-for-16, 37.5%
4. C.J. McCollum, 7-for-19, 36.8%
5. Victor Oladipo, 8-for-23, 34.8%
6. Kawhi Leonard, 9-for-26, 34.6%
8. Carmelo Anthony, 8-for-26, 30.8%
11. Russell Westbrook, 14-for-52, 26.9%
12. Jimmy Butler, 8-for-30, 26.7%
14. Stephen Curry, 4-for-16, 25.0%
19. (tie) Paul George, 6-for-27, 22.2%
19. (tie) LeBron James, 6-for-27, 22.2%
23. Kevin Durant, 4-for-21, 19.0%
29. James Harden, 3-for-20, 15.0%
30. Kyrie Irving, 2-for-15, 13.3%

Ok, so lets dig into the numbers a bit.

Here's the query from pbpstats that you can look at yourself if you want.
http://www.pbpstats.com/totals/nba/player?Season=2021-22,2020-21,2019-20,2018-19,2017-18,2016-17,2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&TeamId=1610612743&Leverage=VeryHigh

This is since 15-16 in very high leverage situations - read more about leverage here: https://darrylblackport.com/posts/2020-12-22-pbpstats-leverage/

Now this paints a bit different picture. Jokic is 23/48 from 2 and 0/9 from 3. Not great. Half of those points were assisted buckets, which shows that he's really not a great shot creator.

Steph is 11/26 from 2 and 9/34 from 3 but nearly all of his 2s and a little more than half of his 3s were unassisted. Surprisingly it's worse than I thought but shows the shot creation capability and 3pt shot making.

Lebron is slightly more efficient from 2 with nearly all of them coming unassisted and pretty inefficient from 3 and mostly assisted.

I think together they have a meaningful advantage in creating and making shots in late game clutch situations

Even with your stats, Jokic made 23/57, or shooting 40% in such situations. Not sure how it compare with many others but saying half of them were assisted do not hurt him at all, because that also can mean he is a top finisher and great playing off the ball.
Curry made 20/60, 33%. That's not taking into account Jokic is a GOAT tier playmaker at the end of the game. I checked LeBron's since joining Lakers and seems to be 11/39, or 28%. Correct me if I am wrong.

Also found Luka was 20/41, 49%; Tatum 22/45, 49%; Giannis 18/42, 43%; Booker 23/65, 35%; Embiid 15/51, 29%

dygaction wrote:

jasonxxx102 wrote:

dygaction wrote:
Jokic has already got a 3:1 record in games 7 of playoff series. He seems to be one of the clutchest players in the game. Didn't he have a 30pt 4th quarter+overtime and several game winning blocks and steals this season? See whether you agree with the definition of cluth here: https://www.sportscasting.com/nikola-jokic-is-twice-as-clutch-as-lebron-james-and-the-numbers-prove-it/

Shooting percentage in the final 10 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime on attempts that could tie the game or give his team the lead. Limiting the list to players with 15 or more attempts since the start of 2015-16 (from Jokic’s first in the league to Jan 2021 when the article was written)

1. Nikola Jokic, 10-for-20, 50.0%
2. Harrison Barnes, 7-for-17, 41.2%
3. Blake Griffin, 6-for-16, 37.5%
4. C.J. McCollum, 7-for-19, 36.8%
5. Victor Oladipo, 8-for-23, 34.8%
6. Kawhi Leonard, 9-for-26, 34.6%
8. Carmelo Anthony, 8-for-26, 30.8%
11. Russell Westbrook, 14-for-52, 26.9%
12. Jimmy Butler, 8-for-30, 26.7%
14. Stephen Curry, 4-for-16, 25.0%
19. (tie) Paul George, 6-for-27, 22.2%
19. (tie) LeBron James, 6-for-27, 22.2%
23. Kevin Durant, 4-for-21, 19.0%
29. James Harden, 3-for-20, 15.0%
30. Kyrie Irving, 2-for-15, 13.3%

Ok, so lets dig into the numbers a bit.

Here's the query from pbpstats that you can look at yourself if you want.
http://www.pbpstats.com/totals/nba/player?Season=2021-22,2020-21,2019-20,2018-19,2017-18,2016-17,2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&TeamId=1610612743&Leverage=VeryHigh

This is since 15-16 in very high leverage situations - read more about leverage here: https://darrylblackport.com/posts/2020-12-22-pbpstats-leverage/

Now this paints a bit different picture. Jokic is 23/48 from 2 and 0/9 from 3. Not great. Half of those points were assisted buckets, which shows that he's really not a great shot creator.

Steph is 11/26 from 2 and 9/34 from 3 but nearly all of his 2s and a little more than half of his 3s were unassisted. Surprisingly it's worse than I thought but shows the shot creation capability and 3pt shot making.

Lebron is slightly more efficient from 2 with nearly all of them coming unassisted and pretty inefficient from 3 and mostly assisted.

I think together they have a meaningful advantage in creating and making shots in late game clutch situations

Even with your stats, Jokic made 23/57, or shooting 40% in such situations. Not sure how it compare with many others but saying half of them were assisted do not hurt him at all, because that also can mean he is a top finisher and great playing off the ball.
Curry made 20/60, 33%. That's not taking into account Jokic is a GOAT tier playmaker at the end of the game. I checked LeBron's since joining Lakers and seems to be 11/39, or 28%. Correct me if I am wrong.

Also found Luka was 20/41, 49%; Tatum 22/45, 49%; Giannis 18/42, 43%; Booker 23/65, 35%; Embiid 15/51, 29%

Of course it hurts him because my entire point was that Jokic isn't creating the majority of his own shots. He's not going to beat anyone off the dribble and he's not hitting 3s in clutch time. LeBron was pretty effective in clutch time in Cleveland

Him being "goat" tier is totally subjective and unless you have some stats or film to back that up it's impossible to measure. I can say LeBron in the goat playmaker and neither of us is right or wrong.

LeBron has more assists in less minutes for more points in clutch time than Jokic so I don't even know how you're measuring him being the goat playmaker unless you give bonus points for fancy looking highlight passes.

jasonxxx102 wrote:

dygaction wrote:

jasonxxx102 wrote:
Ok, so lets dig into the numbers a bit.

Here's the query from pbpstats that you can look at yourself if you want.
http://www.pbpstats.com/totals/nba/player?Season=2021-22,2020-21,2019-20,2018-19,2017-18,2016-17,2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&TeamId=1610612743&Leverage=VeryHigh

This is since 15-16 in very high leverage situations - read more about leverage here: https://darrylblackport.com/posts/2020-12-22-pbpstats-leverage/

Now this paints a bit different picture. Jokic is 23/48 from 2 and 0/9 from 3. Not great. Half of those points were assisted buckets, which shows that he's really not a great shot creator.

Steph is 11/26 from 2 and 9/34 from 3 but nearly all of his 2s and a little more than half of his 3s were unassisted. Surprisingly it's worse than I thought but shows the shot creation capability and 3pt shot making.

Lebron is slightly more efficient from 2 with nearly all of them coming unassisted and pretty inefficient from 3 and mostly assisted.

I think together they have a meaningful advantage in creating and making shots in late game clutch situations

Even with your stats, Jokic made 23/57, or shooting 40% in such situations. Not sure how it compare with many others but saying half of them were assisted do not hurt him at all, because that also can mean he is a top finisher and great playing off the ball.
Curry made 20/60, 33%. That's not taking into account Jokic is a GOAT tier playmaker at the end of the game. I checked LeBron's since joining Lakers and seems to be 11/39, or 28%. Correct me if I am wrong.

Also found Luka was 20/41, 49%; Tatum 22/45, 49%; Giannis 18/42, 43%; Booker 23/65, 35%; Embiid 15/51, 29%

Of course it hurts him because my entire point was that Jokic isn't creating the majority of his own shots. He's not going to beat anyone off the dribble and he's not hitting 3s in clutch time. LeBron was pretty effective in clutch time in Cleveland

Him being "goat" tier is totally subjective and unless you have some stats or film to back that up it's impossible to measure. I can say LeBron in the goat playmaker and neither of us is right or wrong.

LeBron has more assists in less minutes for more points in clutch time than Jokic so I don't even know how you're measuring him being the goat playmaker unless you give bonus points for fancy looking highlight passes.

So you refused to show LeBron's numbers, and when I list 11/39 or 28% he is still better than Jokic's 23/57 40%? Jokic has great hands and have no problem catching the ball down low in clutch situations, you dump it in and he score for you. Also, half assist still makes him hitting 11 created clutch shots? I am not even sure LeBron's creating shots @ 28% is actually helping or hurting the team.

You are welcome to post LeBron and Jokic's clutch playmaking stats as I am not familiar with that database searching.

dygaction wrote:

jasonxxx102 wrote:

dygaction wrote:
Even with your stats, Jokic made 23/57, or shooting 40% in such situations. Not sure how it compare with many others but saying half of them were assisted do not hurt him at all, because that also can mean he is a top finisher and great playing off the ball.
Curry made 20/60, 33%. That's not taking into account Jokic is a GOAT tier playmaker at the end of the game. I checked LeBron's since joining Lakers and seems to be 11/39, or 28%. Correct me if I am wrong.

Also found Luka was 20/41, 49%; Tatum 22/45, 49%; Giannis 18/42, 43%; Booker 23/65, 35%; Embiid 15/51, 29%

Of course it hurts him because my entire point was that Jokic isn't creating the majority of his own shots. He's not going to beat anyone off the dribble and he's not hitting 3s in clutch time. LeBron was pretty effective in clutch time in Cleveland

Him being "goat" tier is totally subjective and unless you have some stats or film to back that up it's impossible to measure. I can say LeBron in the goat playmaker and neither of us is right or wrong.

LeBron has more assists in less minutes for more points in clutch time than Jokic so I don't even know how you're measuring him being the goat playmaker unless you give bonus points for fancy looking highlight passes.

So you refused to show LeBron's numbers, and when I list 11/39 or 28% he is still better than Jokic's 23/57 40%? Jokic has great hands and have no problem catching the ball down low in clutch situations, you dump it in and he score for you. Also, half assist still makes him hitting 11 created clutch shots? I am not even sure LeBron's creating shots @ 28% is actually helping or hurting the team.

You are welcome to post LeBron and Jokic's clutch playmaking stats as I am not familiar with that database searching.

Did you even look at lebrons Cavs stats? Or the TS%?

i honestly think both would be so game breaking it may be irrelevant

either player is taking loterry teams into 65+ win title contenders by himself, teammates may make the difference instead in a duel

This is a debate?

2009 LeBron with Curry’s shooting (and shot making gravity). Game over.

People must not remember what a prime, athletic LeBron looked like on the basketball court. People did not defend LeBron tight back than. The plan was to play 5-10 feet off of him and shadow him with your big.

You are talking about the best (one man) transition player and overall driver of the basketball… somehow acquiring the shooting ability of the greatest shooter of all time.

Teams would have to resort to doubling this character at half court (just to get the ball out of his hands).

As great as a Jokic/ Robinson would be, you can game plan to limit his touches. You can slow the game down to reduce his possessions and you can spread the floor with outside shooting to pull him away from the basket on defense.

There is no Game-planning for a Curry/ LeBron.

You have an all NBA defender who can defend any of the five positions and cover ground as a weak side roaming defender. He will be a plus for you defensively (with any roster construction or lineup).

The ball would be in his hands most of the game, so he would have a say in the pace and tempo of the game. Trap him to get the ball out of his hands and he would LeBron skip pass you to oblivion. Then if you managed to recover to the weak side shooter, he would run around the perimeter and Curry relocate and shoot you to oblivion.

This is Curry/ LeBron (without any semblance of a hesitation).

falcolombardi wrote:i honestly think both would be so game breaking it may be irrelevant

either player is taking loterry teams into 65+ win title contenders by himself, teammates may make the difference instead in a duel

I don’t think they would be equally game breaking. I think people are being clouded by their perceptions of the current LeBron and the current Curry.

Top of their game hybrid of the two would wreck basketball. A top three all time great (top basket attacker of all time), spliced with a top 20 all time great (the greatest shooter of all time).

Why is this even a debate? You people have got to be joking right now.

Greyhound wrote:

falcolombardi wrote:i honestly think both would be so game breaking it may be irrelevant

either player is taking loterry teams into 65+ win title contenders by himself, teammates may make the difference instead in a duel

I don’t think they would be equally game breaking. I think people are being clouded by their perceptions of the current LeBron and the current Curry.

Top of their game hybrid of the two would wreck basketball. A top three all time great (top basket attacker of all time), spliced with a top 20 all time great (the greatest shooter of all time).

Why is this even a debate? You people have got to be joking right now.

mostly because of the defensive edge between peak robinson and peak lebron

falcolombardi wrote:

Greyhound wrote:

falcolombardi wrote:i honestly think both would be so game breaking it may be irrelevant

either player is taking loterry teams into 65+ win title contenders by himself, teammates may make the difference instead in a duel

I don’t think they would be equally game breaking. I think people are being clouded by their perceptions of the current LeBron and the current Curry.

Top of their game hybrid of the two would wreck basketball. A top three all time great (top basket attacker of all time), spliced with a top 20 all time great (the greatest shooter of all time).

Why is this even a debate? You people have got to be joking right now.

mostly because of the defensive edge between peak robinson and peak lebron

No.

As great as Robinson was defensively, his style of defense would have its limitations in todays style of game (a Gobert effect of sorts).

There is no way of reducing the defensive effectiveness of prime LeBron. He would not be the overall defensive force that Robinson was (mostly due to size and position played), but his defensive versatility would provide a lot of defensive value. Granted it would be less then the defensive value a Robinson would provide, we are not talking prime rib to chopped liver.

Paired with a standard run of the mill rim protector/ shot blocker (a McGee/ Camby/ Ratliff/ Marc Gasol type) and he would provide you all NBA defense/ fringe defensive player of the year caliber defensive contribution.

The defensive gap would not come close to covering the amount of “game breaking” separation that would be created by a Curry/ LeBron splice on the offensive end.

No even close.

We would be talking: Board of governors,
“we need to change the rules to limit this guy” (restoring competitive balance) levels of breaking.

If I give both players Tim Duncan as a teammate then LeBron Curry is better.
If I give both of them only average G-Leage bigs as teamates at center and power forward then Jokic-Robinson is better.

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:If I give both players Tim Duncan as a teammate then LeBron Curry is better.
If I give both of them only average G-Leage bigs as teamates at center and power forward then Jokic-Robinson is better.

No again.

Of all of the spliced players being proposed here, young LeBron is the only one with a history of taking bums anywhere. I do not agree with your assessment.

LeBron/ Curry would not need a top 10 all time big (a Duncan) alongside him. There is no doubt in my mind that he could make a Theo Ratliff or a Serge Ibaka work.

He/ it would wreck shop with a DeAndre Ayton.
He/ it would still function with a Joel Anthony.

An offensive force like that could make a team of defensive specialists work imo.

Eric Snow/ Delonte West
Klay Thompson/ Aaron McKie
Steames LeCurry
Tyrone Hill/ Shane Battier
Dikembe Mutombo/ Serge Ibaka

That team would wreck other teams (as the top defensive team in the league).