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AD was arguably the best all-around player in the league from 2017-2020. Jokić is obviously the much better offensive player, but AD has special defensive versatility and playoff impact and is maybe the best "second option" of all time.

If we're talking three-year stretch, then AD might have an argument. If it's anything less than that, it's Jokic rather comfortably.

I don't see Davis' argument.

Mogspan wrote:AD was arguably the best all-around player in the league from 2017-2020.

Wait what? 2020 is the only year you can make that argument. Definitely not from 2017-2019.

No-more-rings wrote:

Mogspan wrote:AD was arguably the best all-around player in the league from 2017-2020.

Wait what? 2020 is the only year you can make that argument. Definitely not from 2017-2019.

He was 3rd in MVP voting in 2018 and swept the 3rd seed Blazers with his best teammate being injured and not a whole lot around him. I strongly believe he was the best player alive during the 2018-'19 season. He had worked on his handle the summer before and was just an absolute monster on both ends, comfortably leading the league in RPM and PER until the Pels shut him down:

Mogspan wrote:

No-more-rings wrote:

Mogspan wrote:AD was arguably the best all-around player in the league from 2017-2020.

Wait what? 2020 is the only year you can make that argument. Definitely not from 2017-2019.

He was 3rd in MVP voting in 2018 and swept the 3rd seed Blazers with his best teammate being injured and not a whole lot around him. I strongly believe he was the best player alive during the 2018-'19 season. He had worked on his handle the summer before and was just an absolute monster on both ends, comfortably leading the league in RPM and PER until the Pels shut him down:

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the pels' defensive gameplan for dame along with jrue/rondo's individual defense was fantastic, and that didn't really have as much to do with AD as it did with the guards and trapping dame.

and jrue was absolutely fantastic in that series, elite defense along with 28 ppg on 63% TS%. even mirotic was out there lookin like a legendary shooter lol, 18 on 71% TS%. it seems odd to discredit how well that entire team performed in the series. not that it takes a lot to beat a blazers team whos best player averaged 18.5 ppg on 47.1% TS%

anyway i do not think anthony davis has ever been a better basketball player than lebron james. i dont see how he can ever have been the best player

Jokic at this point is a clear choice. No RS version of Davis is close to this level and I am more hesitant to put 2020 playoffs Davis among ATG peaks.

if this was before 2022 i may have gone davis

but unless jokic dissapoints in the playoffs i think is him now

jalengreen wrote:

Mogspan wrote:

No-more-rings wrote:Wait what? 2020 is the only year you can make that argument. Definitely not from 2017-2019.

He was 3rd in MVP voting in 2018 and swept the 3rd seed Blazers with his best teammate being injured and not a whole lot around him. I strongly believe he was the best player alive during the 2018-'19 season. He had worked on his handle the summer before and was just an absolute monster on both ends, comfortably leading the league in RPM and PER until the Pels shut him down:

Watch on YouTube

the pels' defensive gameplan for dame along with jrue/rondo's individual defense was fantastic, and that didn't really have as much to do with AD as it did with the guards and trapping dame.

and jrue was absolutely fantastic in that series, elite defense along with 28 ppg on 63% TS%. even mirotic was out there lookin like a legendary shooter lol, 18 on 71% TS%. it seems odd to discredit how well that entire team performed in the series. not that it takes a lot to beat a blazers team whos best player averaged 18.5 ppg on 47.1% TS%

anyway i do not think anthony davis has ever been a better basketball player than lebron james. i dont see how he can ever have been the best player

AD was definitely better during the 2018-'19 season and probably LeBron's equal in 2020. 2018 I agree that LeBron was still the guy. AD had some good help in that Blazers series, but my point was that he had enough success that season to justify his being considered a top-3 player at the very least. He won a game against the KD Warriors, which LeBron didn't accomplish that season.

Well 2020 AD was better than 2020 Jokic but 2021 and 2022 Jokic is quite a bit better than AD those years.

Davis missed lots of games. In a good scenario, he could've been the unanimous MVP back in the 2019. His impact was historically great, but the conditions .

Two historical impact years with 21 and 22 Jokic and 19 and 20 Davis are about the equal,but 17 and 18 AD also were top 5 level,don't think 19 Jokic was up there. 1 top 5 to top 10 year difference put 17/20 Davis over 19/22 Jokic regarding the impacts.

feyki wrote:Davis missed lots of games. In a good scenario, he could've been the unanimous MVP back in the 2019. His impact was historically great, but the conditions

I don't think you know how hard it is to get unanimous MVP and 2019 Davis certainly wouldn't be one of the main candidates I'd think of. Even with relatively down competition, I fail to see the reason to put him clearly ahead of Harden and Giannis.

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:Davis missed lots of games. In a good scenario, he could've been the unanimous MVP back in the 2019. His impact was historically great, but the conditions

I don't think you know how hard it is to get unanimous MVP and 2019 Davis certainly wouldn't be one of the main candidates I'd think of. Even with relatively down competition, I fail to see the reason to put him clearly ahead of Harden and Giannis.

AD before the problems start(first 45 games,played in 41G):
29,4 PPG, 13,5 RPG, 4,4 APG, %35,5 OffLoad 1,8 SPG, 2,6 BPG, %59,5 TS, 125 ORTG, 105 DRTG, 18,2 DFGA, %44,6 DFG(-3,4).
Giannis:
27,7 PPG, 12,5 RPG, 5,9 APG, %35,9 OffLoad 1,3 SPG, 1,5 BPG, %64,4 TS, 121 ORTG, 100 DRTG, 11,7 DFGA, %40,8(-5,6).
Harden:
36,1 PPG, 6,6 RPG, 7,5 APG, %47,5 OffLoad 2,0 SPG, 0,7 BPG, %61,6 TS, 118 ORTG, 108 DRTG.

Harden still may have been the highest impact player due to offensive inflation of the era, but like Yannis had, If AD had team and other non-impact parameters over Harden; AD was on the same offensive load with Yannis but with almost %5 offensive efficiency ahead of his. His also individual defence was better than Yannis', but Yannis had better ratings due to his great defensive team. His percentages and shot defences favors him over Yannis.

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:Davis missed lots of games. In a good scenario, he could've been the unanimous MVP back in the 2019. His impact was historically great, but the conditions

I don't think you know how hard it is to get unanimous MVP and 2019 Davis certainly wouldn't be one of the main candidates I'd think of. Even with relatively down competition, I fail to see the reason to put him clearly ahead of Harden and Giannis.

AD before the problems start(first 45 games,played in 41G):
29,4 PPG, 13,5 RPG, 4,4 APG, %35,5 OffLoad 1,8 SPG, 2,6 BPG, %59,5 TS, 125 ORTG, 105 DRTG, 18,2 DFGA, %44,6 DFG(-3,4).
Giannis:
27,7 PPG, 12,5 RPG, 5,9 APG, %35,9 OffLoad 1,3 SPG, 1,5 BPG, %64,4 TS, 121 ORTG, 100 DRTG, 11,7 DFGA, %40,8(-5,6).
Harden:
36,1 PPG, 6,6 RPG, 7,5 APG, %47,5 OffLoad 2,0 SPG, 0,7 BPG, %61,6 TS, 118 ORTG, 108 DRTG.

Harden still may have been the highest impact player due to offensive inflation of the era, but like Yannis had, If AD had team and other non-impact parameters over Harden; AD was on the same offensive load with Yannis but with almost %5 offensive efficiency ahead of his. His also individual defence was better than Yannis', but Yannis had better ratings due to his great defensive team. His percentages and shot defences favors him over Yannis.

Still don't see his case for unanimous MVP. Unanimous MVP is a season like 2016 Curry, 2013 LeBron or 1967 Wilt. Davis wasn't close to this kind of domination at any point of his career.

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:I don't think you know how hard it is to get unanimous MVP and 2019 Davis certainly wouldn't be one of the main candidates I'd think of. Even with relatively down competition, I fail to see the reason to put him clearly ahead of Harden and Giannis.

AD before the problems start(first 45 games,played in 41G):
29,4 PPG, 13,5 RPG, 4,4 APG, %35,5 OffLoad 1,8 SPG, 2,6 BPG, %59,5 TS, 125 ORTG, 105 DRTG, 18,2 DFGA, %44,6 DFG(-3,4).
Giannis:
27,7 PPG, 12,5 RPG, 5,9 APG, %35,9 OffLoad 1,3 SPG, 1,5 BPG, %64,4 TS, 121 ORTG, 100 DRTG, 11,7 DFGA, %40,8(-5,6).
Harden:
36,1 PPG, 6,6 RPG, 7,5 APG, %47,5 OffLoad 2,0 SPG, 0,7 BPG, %61,6 TS, 118 ORTG, 108 DRTG.

Harden still may have been the highest impact player due to offensive inflation of the era, but like Yannis had, If AD had team and other non-impact parameters over Harden; AD was on the same offensive load with Yannis but with almost %5 offensive efficiency ahead of his. His also individual defence was better than Yannis', but Yannis had better ratings due to his great defensive team. His percentages and shot defences favors him over Yannis.

Still don't see his case for unanimous MVP. Unanimous MVP is a season like 2016 Curry, 2013 LeBron or 1967 Wilt. Davis wasn't close to this kind of domination at any point of his career.

I think 2013 Durant/Lebron and 2019 Davis/Yannis gaps not much different.

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:
AD before the problems start(first 45 games,played in 41G):
29,4 PPG, 13,5 RPG, 4,4 APG, %35,5 OffLoad 1,8 SPG, 2,6 BPG, %59,5 TS, 125 ORTG, 105 DRTG, 18,2 DFGA, %44,6 DFG(-3,4).
Giannis:
27,7 PPG, 12,5 RPG, 5,9 APG, %35,9 OffLoad 1,3 SPG, 1,5 BPG, %64,4 TS, 121 ORTG, 100 DRTG, 11,7 DFGA, %40,8(-5,6).
Harden:
36,1 PPG, 6,6 RPG, 7,5 APG, %47,5 OffLoad 2,0 SPG, 0,7 BPG, %61,6 TS, 118 ORTG, 108 DRTG.

Harden still may have been the highest impact player due to offensive inflation of the era, but like Yannis had, If AD had team and other non-impact parameters over Harden; AD was on the same offensive load with Yannis but with almost %5 offensive efficiency ahead of his. His also individual defence was better than Yannis', but Yannis had better ratings due to his great defensive team. His percentages and shot defences favors him over Yannis.

Still don't see his case for unanimous MVP. Unanimous MVP is a season like 2016 Curry, 2013 LeBron or 1967 Wilt. Davis wasn't close to this kind of domination at any point of his career.

I think 2013 Durant/Lebron and 2019 Davis/Yannis gaps not much different.

That's because you are very low on Giannis.

feyki wrote:

70sFan wrote:

feyki wrote:
AD before the problems start(first 45 games,played in 41G):
29,4 PPG, 13,5 RPG, 4,4 APG, %35,5 OffLoad 1,8 SPG, 2,6 BPG, %59,5 TS, 125 ORTG, 105 DRTG, 18,2 DFGA, %44,6 DFG(-3,4).
Giannis:
27,7 PPG, 12,5 RPG, 5,9 APG, %35,9 OffLoad 1,3 SPG, 1,5 BPG, %64,4 TS, 121 ORTG, 100 DRTG, 11,7 DFGA, %40,8(-5,6).
Harden:
36,1 PPG, 6,6 RPG, 7,5 APG, %47,5 OffLoad 2,0 SPG, 0,7 BPG, %61,6 TS, 118 ORTG, 108 DRTG.

Harden still may have been the highest impact player due to offensive inflation of the era, but like Yannis had, If AD had team and other non-impact parameters over Harden; AD was on the same offensive load with Yannis but with almost %5 offensive efficiency ahead of his. His also individual defence was better than Yannis', but Yannis had better ratings due to his great defensive team. His percentages and shot defences favors him over Yannis.

Still don't see his case for unanimous MVP. Unanimous MVP is a season like 2016 Curry, 2013 LeBron or 1967 Wilt. Davis wasn't close to this kind of domination at any point of his career.

I think 2013 Durant/Lebron and 2019 Davis/Yannis gaps not much different.

I don’t remember him even being a candidate in 2019 pre demanding a trade ngl, the def Fg stats are sometimes fun but usually aren’t great And I remember him not being that tryhard on defense that year cuz he was kinda done, in terms of sometimes just being lazy even pre trade request

Like 2019 giannis I’m pretty sure is comfortably better than 2019 AD, I don’t think it’s particularly close

As for the poll like, the only AD that compares to this jokic is Bubble AD lol, so Jokic is pretty comfortably better if he continues this in the playoffs

If Bubble AD played like that for a whole year you could make a debate but that isn’t really the case so far at all, his RS never came close and it’s not really a second gear thing as much as his defense gets better in the playoffs cuz of how he plays defense and offensively he was just absolutely on fire shooting wise

I maintain that talent wise AD can be on that level consistently that mvp giannis and Jokic are on, but that’s different from saying he is playing like it or has played like it outside of one playoff run

This is an insult to Jokic. AD, as great of a player as he can be, has never remotely approached this kind of season or level of play by Jokic.

Jokic for me. I think he's better than bubble AD right now, and for longer than the bubble lasted.

Jokic pretty easily.